Hills Cues Has Gone Down Hill
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It is a separate group. Search for "Open Billiards Market: Seller/Buyer Transaction report".
The OP deleted the initial and very long post but you will find a shorter post he created yesterday.
OK, thanks guys, applied to the Open Billiards Market: Seller/Buyer Transaction report group!
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Thanks Ken. Im not going to let it ruin my experience for all cue makers. I will just have to overpay for the guys who can be trusted I think.
I dont have Facebook. What is the open market? Were there other posts similar to mine?
I dont have Facebook. What is the open market? Were there other posts similar to mine?
"I will just have to overpay for the guys who can be trusted."
Overpaying is buying a cue made by someone with little cue making experience, and probably little or no business knowledge. These people take deposits or payment in full, don't hold those in escrow and have no steady income from cuemaking or working capitol.
A member of this forum once told me that he doesn't buy anything from internet cuemakers.
It's become a too familiar pattern to walk away from obligations and keep customers money and or cues.
That hurts the real cuemakers, the full-timers and the up-and-comers who have talent and commitment.
These people have a reputation to protect and a business to support. They own machinery, supplies, pay for maintenance and improvements, have overhead like insurance, rent, and property taxes.
Overpaying is buying a cue made by someone with little cue making experience, and probably little or no business knowledge. These people take deposits or payment in full, don't hold those in escrow and have no steady income from cuemaking or working capitol.
A member of this forum once told me that he doesn't buy anything from internet cuemakers.
It's become a too familiar pattern to walk away from obligations and keep customers money and or cues.
That hurts the real cuemakers, the full-timers and the up-and-comers who have talent and commitment.
These people have a reputation to protect and a business to support. They own machinery, supplies, pay for maintenance and improvements, have overhead like insurance, rent, and property taxes.
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"Overpaying is buying a cue made by someone with little cue making experience, and probably little or no business knowledge. These people take deposits or payment in full, don't hold those in escrow and have no steady income from cuemaking or working capitol.
That hurts the real cuemakers, the full-timers and the up-and-comers who have talent and commitment.
These people have a reputation to protect and a business to support. They own machinery, supplies, pay for maintenance and improvements, have overhead like insurance, rent, and property taxes."
I agree. I have owned several business over the years and understand that its a consumer driven economy. I meant no insult to legit cue makers. I was only saying that the legit ones (Joey Gold is another local cue maker) are very pricey.
Anyone involved in a given market who mistreats the market or gives it a bad name, brings down the reputation of the market as a whole. Im out $300. No biggie. Id pay that to see a flop. Besides, its a cheap price to pay to learn the worth of a man.
That hurts the real cuemakers, the full-timers and the up-and-comers who have talent and commitment.
These people have a reputation to protect and a business to support. They own machinery, supplies, pay for maintenance and improvements, have overhead like insurance, rent, and property taxes."
I agree. I have owned several business over the years and understand that its a consumer driven economy. I meant no insult to legit cue makers. I was only saying that the legit ones (Joey Gold is another local cue maker) are very pricey.
Anyone involved in a given market who mistreats the market or gives it a bad name, brings down the reputation of the market as a whole. Im out $300. No biggie. Id pay that to see a flop. Besides, its a cheap price to pay to learn the worth of a man.
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In a follow up to the story, this is what I woke up to this morning. What amounts to drunk texting from an internet tough guy. You would think as a professional that you would have some sort of pride, in yourself and in your work. Cue making is a form of artistry I think, and any artist should feel a sense of pride in their creation. When I told Darrin the list of things wrong with his creation, I wasnt met with professionalism. I was met with open hostility and disregard, as exemplified here. We all have choices in life, and these choices have attendant consequences. He couldve chosen to make right what he failed to do the first time. He couldve just ignored the problem in the hopes that it went away. Instead he reacted with hostility. How dare I make public his short comings? He got me for $1600.00. Unfortunately I cant do anything about that, but I can try to make aware the risk of getting involved with him to others. A mans character is defined by his actions in life, and this is the character of the self proclaimed "best cue maker in the business".
For the record, I respond to aggression with aggression. Talk is a devaluing currency though.
Wow what a punk
Add that one facebook groups too please
All the ones you can find
That's just absurd
Add that one facebook groups too please
All the ones you can find
That's just absurd
Good thing I banned him from my pages
(I just realized somehow i just mixed up the first and last names that both start with a D in Darren Hill and MIKE DURBIN......JOEY AND CHIP DO NOT PLAY WITH DARREN HILLS SHIT.......THEY PLAY WITH DURBIN CUSTOM CUES...... may oklahoma and the pool gods forgive a lowely ghost)
Dam and you know what....chip and Joey like most players are tough on the butt ends of their cues.
They each had big chips in the softer synth ivory buttcaps....
Asked me if I could fix them while they satayed at my place......
I told them I'd rather not get into Darren's work(MIKE DURBIN I MEAN), being that they really don't actually "own" the cues. I thought it would be rude of me to do so and I really don't know how he built that area of cue and I wasn't being paid for explatory surgery lol.
So I ended up just turning down the cap area just a touch and gave it each a nifty design that actually looked like it belonged lol
Till they could get them back to Darren (AGAIN REPLACE WITH DURBIN)......I even contacted Darren (noooo mike durbin stupid lexdicsic ghost) and explained to him what I did and why.....even said an it's not your work, the boys just bang that arse on the ground is all"
I probably (i def would because they Dont play with Hills poo.....) would told Joey phuk Darren hill and just replaced the chit with something that doesn't shatter when players do the stick stomp
Nothing against gays by any means.....but that's some weak faggotry right there.
Stand by your work, if it bothers you that much then buy your phuk up back.
If you got the cue still that's in two pieces send it to me sir I'll fix the son ***** for free I don't like assholes making bad names for others in the CRAFT
I don't care if his puppy died of his wife left him or if God himself told him "be a chit bird"
Total bullshit
Too bad we don't live in Singapore so he could get some lashings on the post.....get some get right.
I also can't stand when people are wrong and they want to fight for proof....same thing like if a player tries to act like they are the truth because they play better.
Why doesn't anyone ever settle disputes with a spelling contest?
Cuz they are egotistical ignorant jackasses
-greyghost
AGAIN CHIP AND JOEY PLAY WITH DURBIN CUSTOM CUES.......jesus holy hell and hand grenades i screwed that up from the floor up....i almost feel like i was talking bad on joey and chip to use hill cue. lol.....hope yall understand the "not so simple" trainwreck of a mistake i made there lol
Dam and you know what....chip and Joey like most players are tough on the butt ends of their cues.
They each had big chips in the softer synth ivory buttcaps....
Asked me if I could fix them while they satayed at my place......
I told them I'd rather not get into Darren's work(MIKE DURBIN I MEAN), being that they really don't actually "own" the cues. I thought it would be rude of me to do so and I really don't know how he built that area of cue and I wasn't being paid for explatory surgery lol.
So I ended up just turning down the cap area just a touch and gave it each a nifty design that actually looked like it belonged lol
Till they could get them back to Darren (AGAIN REPLACE WITH DURBIN)......I even contacted Darren (noooo mike durbin stupid lexdicsic ghost) and explained to him what I did and why.....even said an it's not your work, the boys just bang that arse on the ground is all"
I probably (i def would because they Dont play with Hills poo.....) would told Joey phuk Darren hill and just replaced the chit with something that doesn't shatter when players do the stick stomp
Nothing against gays by any means.....but that's some weak faggotry right there.
Stand by your work, if it bothers you that much then buy your phuk up back.
If you got the cue still that's in two pieces send it to me sir I'll fix the son ***** for free I don't like assholes making bad names for others in the CRAFT
I don't care if his puppy died of his wife left him or if God himself told him "be a chit bird"
Total bullshit
Too bad we don't live in Singapore so he could get some lashings on the post.....get some get right.
I also can't stand when people are wrong and they want to fight for proof....same thing like if a player tries to act like they are the truth because they play better.
Why doesn't anyone ever settle disputes with a spelling contest?
Cuz they are egotistical ignorant jackasses
-greyghost
AGAIN CHIP AND JOEY PLAY WITH DURBIN CUSTOM CUES.......jesus holy hell and hand grenades i screwed that up from the floor up....i almost feel like i was talking bad on joey and chip to use hill cue. lol.....hope yall understand the "not so simple" trainwreck of a mistake i made there lol
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Is this the first instance of this or has this kind o crap been going down with him?
What happened to zinzola?
I don't really keep up with cues and others work for most part....mostly because well....I don't care about the bullshit not the "facade" on some makers doors.
History of very shady people. Some immensely respected. I'm not one to keep up or stick up or sweep dirt under rugs.
Honestly enough of you know why I have been here so many years. It's not to sell cues it ain't to profit from teaching. Hell it would be very nice if more money on that end came to my passions and builds and teachings. It is not necessary. I just hope that especially the true flock here doesn't judge others based on the Eddie wheats of the world. It's not right what some people do buyers, dealers, builders. But just like some whites and blacks are not good people, doesn't mean we are all dirty deep down.
I make mistakes, if you don't ever make a mistake....then your not doing any work. Fact of life.
But just as I say the burn pile is bullshit because the wood shouldn't suffer for our own butchery, something can be done with it if a man or woman has a creative thinking process and imagination. He'll make a wooden steely dan and go rotate on it if your a brainless one.
A customer also should not have to suffer any such bs either.
For the love of the game,
-the greyone
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What happened to zinzola?
I don't really keep up with cues and others work for most part....mostly because well....I don't care about the bullshit not the "facade" on some makers doors.
History of very shady people. Some immensely respected. I'm not one to keep up or stick up or sweep dirt under rugs.
Honestly enough of you know why I have been here so many years. It's not to sell cues it ain't to profit from teaching. Hell it would be very nice if more money on that end came to my passions and builds and teachings. It is not necessary. I just hope that especially the true flock here doesn't judge others based on the Eddie wheats of the world. It's not right what some people do buyers, dealers, builders. But just like some whites and blacks are not good people, doesn't mean we are all dirty deep down.
I make mistakes, if you don't ever make a mistake....then your not doing any work. Fact of life.
But just as I say the burn pile is bullshit because the wood shouldn't suffer for our own butchery, something can be done with it if a man or woman has a creative thinking process and imagination. He'll make a wooden steely dan and go rotate on it if your a brainless one.
A customer also should not have to suffer any such bs either.
For the love of the game,
-the greyone
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Ghost - green for you. It's classy to offer to fix that guys cue for free. Kudos sir.
Ghost offer
Just to show what kind of people there are here on AZ - send me a one of the shafts. I will copy the things you like about it and rob the ringwork off it. Then I will send you a STRAIGHT one. If the Ghost fixes the butt - I will do my part to make you whole. I'm going to pm my address to you now.
Just to show what kind of people there are here on AZ - send me a one of the shafts. I will copy the things you like about it and rob the ringwork off it. Then I will send you a STRAIGHT one. If the Ghost fixes the butt - I will do my part to make you whole. I'm going to pm my address to you now.
my heart is melting
the way the community is coming together in this thread is absolutely amazing. its making me feel alot better about going into business for myself now.
the way the community is coming together in this thread is absolutely amazing. its making me feel alot better about going into business for myself now.
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"Nothing against gays by any means.....but that's some weak faggotry right there."
I couldnt agree more sir. I believe I said something along those lines in response...
"Stand by your work, if it bothers you that much then buy your phuk up back."
I have owned 3 businesses in the last 5 years. Customer service is the backbone of all of them. If for some reason the quality isnt up to our expectations, we fix it immediately, no questions asked.
"If you got the cue still that's in two pieces send it to me sir I'll fix the son ***** for free I don't like assholes making bad names for others in the CRAFT"
I cant thank you enough for your offer. Its a good man that will fix the mistakes of a lesser man. I already had a local guy here (who asked not to be named) fix it as best as it can be fixed. The resale value is in the toilet, but the play-ability was salvageable. Someone mentioned "giving green" below...If I knew how to do so I would follow suit.
"I don't care if his puppy died of his wife left him or if God himself told him "be a chit bird
Total bullshit"
Again, I agree. People around these parts know she split because he went all Ray Rice on her. Even stiffed his lawyer the cues he promised for getting him out of the muck. Hes a turd of the First Order.
"Too bad we don't live in Singapore so he could get some lashings on the post.....get some get right."
Unfortunately, there is no real legal recourse for me. Its a civil matter and the authorities wont get involved. Taking it to court would cost 10 times what he got me for, so I just live and learn.
"I also can't stand when people are wrong and they want to fight for proof....same thing like if a player tries to act like they are the truth because they play better. Why doesn't anyone ever settle disputes with a spelling contest?"
He doesnt really want to fight. I know this because he declined my invitation to take him up on his offer, him not realizing Im was looking forward to seeing him more than he was looking forward to seeing me. Im all for meeting out justice by any means necessary. There is no causal connection between being the toughest and being right, but I wont be bullied, nor will I be continually disrespected. You certainly wont make me feel like I need to look over my shoulder without consequence.
Cuz they are egotistical ignorant jackasses
-greyghost
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I couldnt agree more sir. I believe I said something along those lines in response...
"Stand by your work, if it bothers you that much then buy your phuk up back."
I have owned 3 businesses in the last 5 years. Customer service is the backbone of all of them. If for some reason the quality isnt up to our expectations, we fix it immediately, no questions asked.
"If you got the cue still that's in two pieces send it to me sir I'll fix the son ***** for free I don't like assholes making bad names for others in the CRAFT"
I cant thank you enough for your offer. Its a good man that will fix the mistakes of a lesser man. I already had a local guy here (who asked not to be named) fix it as best as it can be fixed. The resale value is in the toilet, but the play-ability was salvageable. Someone mentioned "giving green" below...If I knew how to do so I would follow suit.
"I don't care if his puppy died of his wife left him or if God himself told him "be a chit bird
Total bullshit"
Again, I agree. People around these parts know she split because he went all Ray Rice on her. Even stiffed his lawyer the cues he promised for getting him out of the muck. Hes a turd of the First Order.
"Too bad we don't live in Singapore so he could get some lashings on the post.....get some get right."
Unfortunately, there is no real legal recourse for me. Its a civil matter and the authorities wont get involved. Taking it to court would cost 10 times what he got me for, so I just live and learn.
"I also can't stand when people are wrong and they want to fight for proof....same thing like if a player tries to act like they are the truth because they play better. Why doesn't anyone ever settle disputes with a spelling contest?"
He doesnt really want to fight. I know this because he declined my invitation to take him up on his offer, him not realizing Im was looking forward to seeing him more than he was looking forward to seeing me. Im all for meeting out justice by any means necessary. There is no causal connection between being the toughest and being right, but I wont be bullied, nor will I be continually disrespected. You certainly wont make me feel like I need to look over my shoulder without consequence.
Cuz they are egotistical ignorant jackasses
-greyghost
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Thank you also. Im very touched by the generosity of everyone on this thread. I purchased an OB-1+ shaft (warrantied against warppage ) and had the same local guy (who asked not to be mentioned) collar it and fit it. You guys are great!
Wow see that's some nice stuff right there.
I do feel better about life now as well lol thanks for the compliments, thanks as well from me to your local cue angel
Too bad az isn't a real place. We could all chip in a raffle and pay the cost your out.....and stick that dam cue on display in the lobby's "wall of shame"
Hell we got tons of computer nerds here.
Some one build a website
Www.cuemakingwallofshame.com
Featuring legends such as Eddie wheat.....
I may have to talk to my buddy the other grey and see about getting him into one of these quiet sharp shooters I enjoy making lol....
Bad vibes man they will leech into your bones ladies and gents.
There's always gonna be nits nuts dregs and such in the game the biz the forum......just like life.....but I've traveled enough, played enough, been on this forum for so long there are without a doubt many many fine folks and salts o the earth here and around us.....sometimes you just gotta show up to find them.
Best wishes to all,
-grheyghostious decimus meridius
(Friend to the players of the north, builder of my murdered cue....and I will have my revenge....in this life or the next...and she will be made anew!!!)
Lol I like jokes
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I do feel better about life now as well lol thanks for the compliments, thanks as well from me to your local cue angel
Too bad az isn't a real place. We could all chip in a raffle and pay the cost your out.....and stick that dam cue on display in the lobby's "wall of shame"
Hell we got tons of computer nerds here.
Some one build a website
Www.cuemakingwallofshame.com
Featuring legends such as Eddie wheat.....
I may have to talk to my buddy the other grey and see about getting him into one of these quiet sharp shooters I enjoy making lol....
Bad vibes man they will leech into your bones ladies and gents.
There's always gonna be nits nuts dregs and such in the game the biz the forum......just like life.....but I've traveled enough, played enough, been on this forum for so long there are without a doubt many many fine folks and salts o the earth here and around us.....sometimes you just gotta show up to find them.
Best wishes to all,
-grheyghostious decimus meridius
(Friend to the players of the north, builder of my murdered cue....and I will have my revenge....in this life or the next...and she will be made anew!!!)
Lol I like jokes
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