Hit and feel has changed ... but not in a good way

twilight

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After reading a similar post I decided to tell my story about my cue's hit and feel changing but in a very different way. I received the cue in October and have been switching out the 2 shafts each time I played for a month. Shaft A hits and feels amazing while shaft B hits and feels about 75% of what shaft A feels like. I'm guessing it's probably the particular wood itself that makes that first shaft feel so great. After a month, I made A my primary shaft and B my secondary shaft and play mostly with A.

Come late January, shaft A just doesn't hit and feel the same. It used to hit hard and have a sweet sound. Now the hit is dull and has little feeling. The strangest thing is I've done nothing with the shaft. After the second week of having it all I've done is shape and burnish the tip. It is a Moori Med.

Since mid October, the tip has not been shaped, picked, scuffed, or burnished. The ferrule is Ivory but I let my cue have 10-15 minutes to get used to the temperature in the pool hall. It has never been sanded or cleaned with anything. I choose Ivory because it stays clean so well. The shaft has never, never seen any sandpaper, no micromesh, no shaft shedding systems, no plastic papers, no scotch brite pads. It has never been retapered or refinished. I only do two things to the shaft. At the end of the night I give the shaft a quick 10 second burnish with an undyed piece of leather and about 2 times a month I take a microfiber towel that would barely be considered damp for a light once over. When I mean barely damp, I run my hand under the faucet, and flick a few water drops onto the towel. The pin is a 5/16x14 SS piloted and I have joint protectors. The joint isn't damaged.

I haven't messed with the shaft and sometime in Jan/Feb, the hit just disappeared. It just feels dead. I took the cue to my local cue guy and he says the tip looks fine. It has not delaminated, nor is there a crack in the ferrule. I have not dinged this cue ever so I've never needed to put a drop of water on the shaft to swell out the dent. As for storage of the cue, I store the cue in an instroke case, upright on an inside wall as well. I never leave the cue in my car.

Shaft B has been my main player for the last month and a half. It still feels the same as it did back in October. It feels fine but if shaft A could ever feel like it used to a few months back, I'd never buy another cue! I don't know how the hit could have changed so much. For months, shaft A made a hard hit, sounded great but now it barely has any feedback. A buddy of mine confirms that he feels shaft A feels dead.

Anyone have a clue what could have happened?
 
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A dead tip/ lamination void is the most common occurrence. If that is not the case, you will have to do some homework. Measure the shaft with calipers for a reference, and determine if it is shrinking due to the wood curing or the chalk making it smaller (chalk is an abrasive). Face off both sides of the Joint to make sure that there is no dirt in the joint, preventing the largest flat surface contact. It definitely sounds like the shaft (if it is not the tip), if you still have one playing shaft that hits the same. My second guess is that the brass insert is either pulled out or not fitting properly (too tight around the shoulder), or there is something keeping the joint from fitting properly. Hold the joint up to light to see if there is a tight fit (no light coming through). Finally, take the shaft on the table and lift the tip end about 6 in. and drop it. Does it buzz or sound dull? Sometimes ivory has minor cracks it that can increase in size gradually. Hard to tell without having the cue in hand, but I hope this helps, Kent
 
bruin70 said:
.......weather/humidity.......

what's it been like?

I thought about this one for a while. I did get the cue when the weather started to get cold (october) and then the hit of shaft A was gone.... just felt dead around late January/February. It was pretty cold during this time. As for humidity I wouldn't know I don't get a chance to check very often, but in regards to "feel" it doesn't seem like much has changed.

While thinking about this, I wonder though, why would shaft B still feel the same?
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
It's got to be the tip. Spend a buck & change the tip...JER

I'm thinking about it. It's just a nice new tip and there doesn't appear to be anything wrong visually. Nor have I done anything to it in months. I don't use a ton of english so I've never needed to scuff much. I'm also a persistant chalker. here's a picture of the tips. Shaft A on left, B on right.
 

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KD Cues said:
A dead tip/ lamination void is the most common occurrence. If that is not the case, you will have to do some homework. Measure the shaft with calipers for a reference, and determine if it is shrinking due to the wood curing or the chalk making it smaller (chalk is an abrasive). Face off both sides of the Joint to make sure that there is no dirt in the joint, preventing the largest flat surface contact. It definitely sounds like the shaft (if it is not the tip), if you still have one playing shaft that hits the same. My second guess is that the brass insert is either pulled out or not fitting properly (too tight around the shoulder), or there is something keeping the joint from fitting properly. Hold the joint up to light to see if there is a tight fit (no light coming through). Finally, take the shaft on the table and lift the tip end about 6 in. and drop it. Does it buzz or sound dull? Sometimes ivory has minor cracks it that can increase in size gradually. Hard to tell without having the cue in hand, but I hope this helps, Kent

I don't know why but yes, I actually used calipers to measure my cue on the first day I got my cue. The measurement at the ferrule and an inch below are exactly the same +/- 0.02 which could be slightly off due to differences in my caliper or temp.

Concerning the brass insert, the cue came to me where the wood part of the pilot fits tight to the stainless steel sleeve. It is still tight, no so much that it won't screw on, but nice and snug. I actually do wipe off the facing of the shafts of my cue and just the other day put a dab of isopropyl alcohol on the stainless part to clean that particular section. I only use a dry cloth for the shaft facing.

I tried the trick you suggested and both shafts sound the same, no clicking or dull sound. The only dull thing is when I shoot with shaft A.
 
I'm still looking into the problem I'd like to hold off on changing the tip because moori's aren't cheap. I'm not ruling that out though, just holding off until I exhaust all other possibilities. While on the subject though, anyone know how a sniper "HITS" in comparison to a moori. I have no probs with a moori and if it ain't broke, don't fix it I say. But if I have to change tips, i've heard a lot of good stuff on this forum about them.
 
twilight said:
I'm still looking into the problem I'd like to hold off on changing the tip because moori's aren't cheap. I'm not ruling that out though, just holding off until I exhaust all other possibilities. While on the subject though, anyone know how a sniper "HITS" in comparison to a moori. I have no probs with a moori and if it ain't broke, don't fix it I say. But if I have to change tips, i've heard a lot of good stuff on this forum about them.


Maybe cut down the tip some? Looks like a full tip, and while I like full tips personally if one isn't playing good then cutting it down could help. Nothing to lose before you change out tips at least.
 
I will make a guess here. If I have all the facts correct here: #1 In October you quit playing with shaft A, #2 Both shafts played the same then. #3 You have continued playing with shaft B.
My conclusion is that either your tip on A has softened up from moisture and no longer gives the hard feel you desire, or more likely shaft A still plays like it did then, but Shaft B's tip has gotten harder as you have played more with it and you like it now. The change was so gradual you did not notice there was a change. So B hits harder than A because the tip has had more play. Solution: play with shaft A for a few days to harden tip up.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
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cubswin said:
Maybe cut down the tip some? Looks like a full tip, and while I like full tips personally if one isn't playing good then cutting it down could help. Nothing to lose before you change out tips at least.
great idea i'll probably try that just before I change the tip.
 
twilight said:
I thought about this one for a while. I did get the cue when the weather started to get cold (october) and then the hit of shaft A was gone.... just felt dead around late January/February. It was pretty cold during this time. As for humidity I wouldn't know I don't get a chance to check very often, but in regards to "feel" it doesn't seem like much has changed.

While thinking about this, I wonder though, why would shaft B still feel the same?

all woods differ. here in nyc, it gets drier in the winter so the hit is sharper.
 
cueman said:
I will make a guess here. If I have all the facts correct here: #1 In October you quit playing with shaft A, #2 Both shafts played the same then. #3 You have continued playing with shaft B.
My conclusion is that either your tip on A has softened up from moisture and no longer gives the hard feel you desire, or more likely shaft A still plays like it did then, but Shaft B's tip has gotten harder as you have played more with it and you like it now. The change was so gradual you did not notice there was a change. So B hits harder than A because the tip has had more play. Solution: play with shaft A for a few days to harden tip up.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com

sorry for the confusion, my fault. Simply put, I played with shaft A from October to February 90% of the time and shaft B 10% just so I could get used to it in case I ever needed it. In feb, shaft A just felt dead so I now play with B.

still, I like your solution, I guess i'll stick with shaft A for at least the next 2 weeks to see if it hardens up, then try to shave it down, if all else fails, maybe a new moori. :confused:
 
bruin70 said:
all woods differ. here in nyc, it gets drier in the winter so the hit is sharper.

I'm thinking that's very much possible. If the tip isn't the problem then maybe it's the wood. Maybe shaft A will be my "winter" shaft :D
 
twilight said:
sorry for the confusion, my fault. Simply put, I played with shaft A from October to February 90% of the time and shaft B 10% just so I could get used to it in case I ever needed it. In feb, shaft A just felt dead so I now play with B.

still, I like your solution, I guess i'll stick with shaft A for at least the next 2 weeks to see if it hardens up, then try to shave it down, if all else fails, maybe a new moori. :confused:
Since I got some off the facts wrong, I would suggest a new tip on shaft A as it may have lost cue ball action by getting too hard. The opposite of what I thought could be the case. B could feel better because B tip still has cue ball grip and produces more action and feel. Moori tips get harder as they are played with.
 
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