Hitting a moving cue ball (Ruling Question)

[Charlie Hustle]

This reminds me of a time in a state tournament. When a guy I was playing was locked up,,and didn't have a shot ,,none at all. So he just tapped the cue a inch or so and looked at me.
I walked up and grabbed the ball,,,since it was obviously BIH. He had a shit grin on his face as I walked up ,,but immediately started crying foul!!!

Since I didn't ask if it was BIH,,got the ref over and sure enough,,he now had BIH!!! It was a trick on his part. This was a team event,,we won that match.

Later in the tournament we heard a bunch yelling from another table. I look over and guess who was getting yelled at??

I go over and ask if he did the BIH thing?? lol And yep,,he did it again to someone else. I told them all that he also did it to me less that a hour ago.

There was some more yelling and almost a fight,,,the guys teammates,,were just as pissed at him as anyone was.

I think??? the guy learned to not bend the silly shit rules to gain a edge!!

That guy sounds like a real piece of shit.

 

[Jimmy M.]

then wouldn't an unscrupulous player simply argue every call and never be wrong?

Wouldn't be the first time. I hesitate to say who because he has since passed away and, call it old-fashioned, I hate to speak ill of the deceased, but I witnessed a player commit the same type of foul in 3 separate matches in the same tournament. In each case, there was a ball on the end rail and the cue ball was toward the other end rail. All 3 times, he played it like he was going to just barely thin the object ball and send the cue ball back to the same end of the table that he was on and, in all 3 attempts, he missed the whole ball but argued that he nicked it. Of course, since there was no referee watching the shot, it went his way each time.

 

[cueporn]

Last night in the finals of a tourney I was hill hill with my opponent. (Bar Box 8 Ball) As hes gets down to shoot his warm up strokes, he either barely touched the ball with his tip, or it rolled off from the weight of his hand. In one quick motion he conintued to shoot and pocketed his ball. It happened so fast I couldnt tell how the cue ball moved, but it def did. I called him out on it, and of course he said he only hit it once. Lets say his tip didnt touch it, but just the weight of his bridge hand made it roll a little bit and he continued to shoot. Whats the ruling on something like this?

Btw, the tourney director said that since he didnt see it, we had to replay the game. I felt bad about not knowing the call and offered my opponent to replay the whole set. (Small race to 2) He wanted none of it and only wanted to play that one game again. He broke dry and I ran the rack for the win. :wink:


Charlie

The ref blew the call. The game really should not be replayed.

If he hit the ball with his hand and told you , you respot it , but no foul.
If he hit the cueball with his tip, foul, but he has to call it on himself unless a ref saw it. If it was deemed a foul and he shot his ball in , still a foul, ball in hand for you.

The problem is that if he wont admit fouling or honestly doesnt know he did and the ref isnt there to call it, the call goes to the shooter.

Replaying the game is not the answer. If he stuck to his guns the replay shouldnt have happened.

 

[Charlie Hustle]

The ref blew the call. The game really should not be replayed.

If he hit the ball with his hand and told you , you respot it , but no foul.
If he hit the cueball with his tip, foul, but he has to call it on himself unless a ref saw it. If it was deemed a foul and he shot his ball in , still a foul, ball in hand for you.

The problem is that if he wont admit fouling or honestly doesnt know he did and the ref isnt there to call it, the call goes to the shooter.

Replaying the game is not the answer. If he stuck to his guns the replay shouldnt have happened.

After some back and forth argument, I told him to just continue shooting since he did pocket the ball. He tells me to go ahead and shoot. Since neither really wanted to shoot, thats when the ref said just re rack and play it over.

 

[hang-the-9]

This is correct.......
With no referee, the shot always goes to the shooter. No replay.

A close call would go to a shooter, like when it's hard to see which ball was hit first, no way am I conceding an obvious foul. I'd sooner concede the set than let someone cheat when we both know they did.

What shooter would say "well, I did not see the foul, but if you did, here take ball in hand"? Especially bar players.

 

[hang-the-9]

The ref blew the call. The game really should not be replayed.

If he hit the ball with his hand and told you , you respot it , but no foul.
If he hit the cueball with his tip, foul, but he has to call it on himself unless a ref saw it. If it was deemed a foul and he shot his ball in , still a foul, ball in hand for you.

The problem is that if he wont admit fouling or honestly doesnt know he did and the ref isnt there to call it, the call goes to the shooter.

Replaying the game is not the answer. If he stuck to his guns the replay shouldnt have happened.

Hitting the cue ball with a hand is as much of a foul as hitting it with your cue. As is hitting it with the chalk, the bridge, your gold chain, if your dog jumps up and pees on it. Playing by real rules though, in local tournaments where people are friendly it's often forgiven when you make a mental goof and happen to brush the cue ball with something. Just like most people let the breaker re-break if they miscue and miss the rack.

 

[cueporn]

recent problem

Last week a guy I play all the time shoots downtable on a ball next to another in 9 ball. He hits the 7 before the 4 and everyone there knows it. The cueball hit the 7, then the back of the 4 so it came back towards the shot at a 40 degree angle, backcutting the ball. Hes a nit, we all know it. I tell him hes wrong he knows that too hes a AA player like me. So no ball in hand for me.

I make the 4, but get stuck behind a ball. Its over for me, no need to get mad. I jump the 5 in and run out. I tell him again that he has no class and knew he fouled as did the 20 guys watching. He will never call a foul on himself.

You have to decide what type of player you are going to be. Many time I have called myself on fouls that my opponent never saw. I am sure it has cost me money, 200 I remeber last year in a hill hill set, and a few hundred more. My self respect is worth more than that . When a guy calls a foul and hands you the cueball....thats class.