HOF Ideas

[RSB-Refugee]

I just read a post elsewhere, about HOF'ers getting byes in "The King Of The Hill". I would like to see, the BCA hand-off, or sell the HOF, to a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization. There are players that have been excluded from their rightful place, in the prestigious HOF. Many of the bigger sports make money off of their halls. I think maybe, a travelling museum could charge entries to visitors of the HOF. I also think that at the end of the year there should be dividends payed out to the HOF'ers. The reason I said earlier, nonpartisan, is I believe some have been excluded on the basis of industry politics. One player, that I feel should be included, probably never will be. If the BCA feels it is wrong of them, to run leagues, how is this any different? Does anyone else think, the BCA should reliquish the HOF? A second thought, would be for such an organization to start their own HOF and for everyone, to not give the BCA HOF, any creedence. I feel that something should be done, one way, or another.

Tracy

 

[Bob Jewett]

... I would like to see, the BCA hand-off, or sell the HOF, to a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization. ...

The BCA has been around for a long time (comparatively). It is now well funded, although it wasn't always so. You may want to read Mike Shamos's long article on the history of the BCA which I think was in the BCA 50th Anniversary Rule Book.

There is no other organization in the US that seems suitable or stable. Look at the possibilities: APA, BCAPL, VNEA, IPT, UPA, TAP and maybe some I forgot. Which would you pick?

 

[RSB-Refugee]

The BCA has been around for a long time (comparatively). It is now well funded, although it wasn't always so. You may want to read Mike Shamos's long article on the history of the BCA which I think was in the BCA 50th Anniversary Rule Book.

There is no other organization in the US that seems suitable or stable. Look at the possibilities: APA, BCAPL, VNEA, IPT, UPA, TAP and maybe some I forgot. Which would you pick?

I would not pick any of those, as they are all for-profit organizations. I was thinking a brand new organization whose sole purpose, is to administer the HOF. I am not anti-BCA, I just feel, there may be a better way for the HOF to be handled. I might be wrong, I was just wondering if anyone else felt, changes may be in order.

Tracy

 

[SlimShafty]

Oh my word, don't get me started on the BCA.... they sold us down the river, it's nothing more than a trade association now, not a governing body for pool and doesn't deserve to handle the Hall of Fame. The business members were not intended to own the BCA but sure act like it now. The players have little say and they helped fund and create it as a non profit governing body for pool, and now look at it!

Didn't the Olympic comity turn them down and tell them they needed players on the board? and how many players even want to be in the olympics, what would that do for pool, heck even if billiards did get in they wouldn't air it at all.

BCA blah blah blah.....it's a mess, built by the players (and yeah a few business insiders), stolen by the insiders.

Sorry just MHO, I could go on about the BCA League sale....APA etc.. But many people already realize this. I wish it could be handled in a much better way by someone serious about helping the Pro tour, maybe we wouldn't have the need for an outside Investor to make pool into something it could have already been.

 

[kennyratt]

Hof Location

Where is the Billiard HOF located and do they have a web adress? Thanks, Kennyratt

 

[Bob Jewett]

Where is the Billiard HOF located and do they have a web adress? Thanks, Kennyratt

The last time I was there, there was a small display in the BCA offices in Colorado Springs. There has never been anything like the museum that some HOFs have.

The inductees of the HOF have a listing with short bios on the BCA web site:

http://www.bca-pool.com/industry/hof/hof.shtml

 

[Bob Jewett]

... I was thinking a brand new organization whose sole purpose, is to administer the HOF. ...

Well, OK, so are we talking paid staff? A physical location with museum attached? Or will this be a committee with one meeting a year that just accepts and approves nominations proposed by the public? Who gets to be on the committee? What happens when the committee quits? Is there going to be an induction ceremony? I think the BCA does a very nice ceremony, BTW. Has anyone else here been to one?

 

[juegabillar]

Well, OK, so are we talking paid staff? A physical location with museum attached? Or will this be a committee with one meeting a year that just accepts and approves nominations proposed by the public? Who gets to be on the committee? What happens when the committee quits? Is there going to be an induction ceremony? I think the BCA does a very nice ceremony, BTW. Has anyone else here been to one?

I believe that a HOF should have at least a physical location. The problem would be selecting the site.

Maybe a small paid staff. Three or four people running the place.

A committee should be established. Well respected persons, knowledgeable about the several disciplines. Short terms in the committee. Elected by Hall of Fame supporting members.

BCA could very well do something about this (pysical location even in Colorado). I just don't know what is keeping them from doing so.

 

[RSB-Refugee]

Well, OK, so are we talking paid staff?

Yes, maybe a paid currator, with a small staff of volunteers. I did mention earlier, that it should be non-profit. They could also accept donations to augment what it makes on admission fees. The BCA, is a non-profit organization, isn't it?

A physical location with museum attached?

Yes, but I also think it would be good to do travelling shrines. They could set up at big events, such as, APA Nationals, BCA Nationals, the US Open, Derby City Classic, Valley Forge etc...

Or will this be a committee with one meeting a year that just accepts and approves nominations proposed by the public?

That would be another duty of the organization, not so much, to be the commitee, but rather to host the delegates and facilitate the selection process.

Who gets to be on the committee?

One delegate, could be elected by varying sectors of the industry. No delegate would have more of a say than any other delegate. I would like to see a delegate from, table Manufacturers, room owners, cue manufacturers big and small, a male pro and a female pro, publishers and promoters. The ninth member would be elected by those, whose sector could be described as other than previously mentioned, fans included.

What happens when the committee quits?

The delegate's constituents would bear the burden of replacing him or her, if they wish to be represented.

Is there going to be an induction ceremony?

Yes.

I think the BCA does a very nice ceremony, BTW.

I'll take your word for that, Bob. I would not know and I have no reason to doubt you.

Has anyone else here been to one?

I have not been to one. Change can be hard, but can you honestly say, a nice banquet and some photos on a wall, that no one ever sees, is sufficient homage? I just think the selection process could be better and the HOF needs to be more accessible to the public. If the BCA can effect change on its own, then that is all well and good. If I am at a big event, I would pay a small fee to look at some photos, bios, and memorabilia.

Tracy

 

[unknownpro]

Yes, maybe a paid currator, with a small staff of volunteers. I did mention earlier, that it should be non-profit. They could also accept donations to augment what it makes on admission fees. The BCA, is a non-profit organization, isn't it?

Yes, but I also think it would be good to do travelling shrines. They could set up at big events, such as, APA Nationals, BCA Nationals, the US Open, Derby City Classic, Valley Forge etc...

That would be another duty of the organization, not so much, to be the commitee, but rather to host the delegates and facilitate the selection process.

One delegate, could be elected by varying sectors of the industry. No delegate would have more of a say than any other delegate. I would like to see a delegate from, table Manufacturers, room owners, cue manufacturers big and small, a male pro and a female pro, publishers and promoters. The ninth member would be elected by those, whose sector could be described as other than previously mentioned, fans included.

The delegate's constituents would bear the burden of replacing him or her, if they wish to be represented.

Yes.

I'll take your word for that, Bob. I would not know and I have no reason to doubt you.

I have not been to one. Change can be hard, but can you honestly say, a nice banquet and some photos on a wall, that no one ever sees, is sufficient homage? I just think the selection process could be better and the HOF needs to be more accessible to the public. If the BCA can effect change on its own, then that is all well and good. If I am at a big event, I would pay a small fee to look at some photos, bios, and memorabilia.

Tracy

Put this kind of work into a pro tour and there might be enough money to support players today, then that would make it easier to honor the players of the past (or past accomplishments of current players).

unknownpro

 

[bruin70]

I,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a travelling museum ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.

Tracy

considering the less-than-stellar popularity of pool, i think an rv or a minivan with a foldup formica table will be plenty,,,,and it'll keep costs down.