How about a new tour...think about it

cueball1950

cueball1950

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First...lets start off by saying maybe we can get Scott Smith to be the tournament director.
2nd...we can pick a venue in some large major cities that have a couple of pool rooms. we get the owners to put up $5,000 to hold said tournament in their room. Now we get a sponsor to put up another $5,000 so that we can have a small $10,000 ADDED TOURNAMENT. WE GET THE TOP 64 PLAYERS TO AGREE TO PLAY FOR AN ENTRY FEE OF ONLY $250.00 TO MAKE THE TOTAL PURSE $26,000. THE -PLAYERS WOULD COME OUT FOR IT TO PLAY. WE CAN GUARANTEE THEM THEIR MONEY WHEN THEY GET ELIMINATED.....I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THIS CAN BE DONE.. 1 OF THE MANY UNTOUCHED REVENUES IS THE CITY WHERE WOULD HOLD THIS TOURNAMENT, hELL, cHESAPEAKE vIRGINIA GIVE THE u.s.open $5,000 EVERY YEAR.....JUST FOR BRINGING IN THE EPOPLE THAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING IN........OH WELL.... JUST MY HUMBLE OPINIONS...I MAY NOT BE FEELING TO MUCH PAIN RIGHT NOW AS I TOOK MY NIGHT MEDS AND THIS KEY BOARD IS MOVING ALL OVER THE PLACE AT PRESENT............MIKE
 
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a tour involves a lot more than just getting 1 event on the schedule. It takes lots of hard work, organization, coordination, and financing, and yes, even marketing the tour. People do not realize how much work is required for some of these things or the cost involved.

I created a billiards newsletter for the Wichita area for 3 years called 'The Green Felt'. I created the format, wrote all the articles (meaning being present at all important events), had a tournament section (meaning knowing every tournament being held in the area), a tips section, pictures (a friend of mine contributed the pictures), and I did it in color, usually 6 pages long.

I printed it on my own printer (5 days and nights printing 24 hours around the clock - usually 9,000 pages total), collated them, and distributed them to all the Pool rooms in the area, distributed to League operators for inclusion into league packets. I paid for the costs of it with advertising. I produced it every 2 months, and the costs ran about $280 a production with me getting nothing for my trouble or gas. If I did not get that dollar amount in advertising, it just dipped into my own pocket.

Everyone seemed to like it real well, and I still get asked about it even though I discontinued it 3 years ago. I have thought of reviving it, and charging a $1 a copy for it to make it worth my time and effort and to cover the costs involved.

Most of the costs were from printer cartridge costs, paper, etc.. I put a lot of time and effort of my own into it.

People only see what is on the surface for a tour, but I can guarantee you they put much more effort into it behind the scenes. It would really help tournament directors if every Pool room had at least an email address and/or a website, but an email address that is responsive is a must in this day and age.
 
cueball1950 said:
First...lets start off by saying maybe we can get Scott Smith to be the tournament director.
2nd...we can pick a venue in some large major cities that have a couple of pool rooms. we get the owners to put up $5,000 to hold said tournament in their room. Now we get a sponsor to put up another $5,000 so that we can have a small $10,000 ADDED TOURNAMENT. WE GET THE TOP 64 PLAYERS TO AGREE TO PLAY FOR AN ENTRY FEE OF ONLY $250.00 TO MAKE THE TOTAL PURSE $26,000. THE -PLAYERS WOULD COME OUT FOR IT TO PLAY. WE CAN GUARANTEE THEM THEIR MONEY WHEN THEY GET ELIMINATED.....I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THIS CAN BE DONE.. 1 OF THE MANY UNTOUCHED REVENUES IS THE CITY WHERE WOULD HOLD THIS TOURNAMENT, hELL, cHESAPEAKE vIRGINIA GIVE THE u.s.open $5,000 EVERY YEAR.....JUST FOR BRINGING IN THE EPOPLE THAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING IN........OH WELL.... JUST MY HUMBLE OPINIONS...I MAY NOT BE FEELING TO MUCH PAIN RIGHT NOW AS I TOOK MY NIGHT MEDS AND THIS KEY BOARD IS MOVING ALL OVER THE PLACE AT PRESENT............MIKE
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#1...why would a room owner put up 5 dimes? Whats in it for them? They give up several days of NO revenue beside the bar/food.
#2...who pays for the advertising, the footwork <phone calls, mailings...etc>, the staff it takes to run a tournament successfully? Does the tournament staff pay their own hotel?

Mike, its a noble idea, I been there and done that...takes alot of work to make on run right. I ran four tournaments in one yr around the state of Florida, when the smoke clears I was in the hole. I know I have seen Grady post the loss of thousands promoting a pro-pool tournament.
 
In my opinion, you go with something like the Joss Tour, something that's been around and you build on that. Instead of ending one tour and starting another, why not go with one that currently exists and making it bigger than it was before?
 
Snapshot9 said:
I created a billiards newsletter. I have thought of reviving it
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I've done the same thing...twice. Both times it was a huge success & profitable. I didn't print it myself though. I took it on disc & had it printed on "newsprint" with one color & then binded, very cheap to do if your printing company uses newsprint. Mine was only 8 pages. I charged like $250-300 per ad for a 3"x 3" square. Ran like 3 ads per page. I wrote all the articles, did all the work. I stacked them up for FREE in every poolroom within driving distance. I think I paid like $400 for 3500 copies, bundled & ready to go.
PM me if you'd like to talk...you don't have to charge per copy to make some serious cash. Maybe I can help you.;)
 
shake up this sport

i think this sport needs a major change to make it more enticing for major venues and sponsors to host a new tournament series. one idea would be to make tournaments more intriguing and accessible to everyone who plays pool the same way they do with poker tournaments. keep skill a part of the game but bring more forward chance and luck aspects also. maybe make the sets let's say race to 2 and flip a coin for each break. this could bring in maybe hundreds more players per tournament even if the entry fee was $250 and up. i think many people would come out and play and pay larger entry fees if there's even any chance they could get in the money. in a very short race anyone can win and that's what could make this work. it would be fast paced and definitely not boring. think of all the new colorful characters this would bring to the forefront of the sport. not to mention more evenly stretching the playing field, bringing lots of players out of their shells, draw more interest from major venues to host such events and i think make the sport even that much more enjoyable for those on the outside looking in. these could turn out to be huge events. just my thoughts.:)
 
Putting a tour or even a tournament together takes more time than people realize. Not to many pool rooms are willing to add $5,000 to a tournament. You are lucky for a pool room to add $1,500 for a weekend event and then the room is lucky to break even after having it! It is also hard to find sponsors willing to add $ to an event. The best hope for that is maybe one of the casino's and they are probably still hesitant, unless, of course, it is something that has been around for years (like the sands events) and the event is put on at their casino.
 
Skins

I saw a something kinda like that. Everybody started out with 10 chips. You played everybody 1 game. If you lost, you gave a chip back to the TD. This was in a small pool hall in Front Royal, VA. The place was packed that Saturday. There were just as many woman as there were men. I think you bought in for $10 and they paid down to 6th. There were about 50 people. Made for a fun Saturday afternoon.
Purdman
 
cueball1950 said:
First...lets start off by saying maybe we can get Scott Smith to be the tournament director.
2nd...we can pick a venue in some large major cities that have a couple of pool rooms. we get the owners to put up $5,000 to hold said tournament in their room. Now we get a sponsor to put up another $5,000 so that we can have a small $10,000 ADDED TOURNAMENT. WE GET THE TOP 64 PLAYERS TO AGREE TO PLAY FOR AN ENTRY FEE OF ONLY $250.00 TO MAKE THE TOTAL PURSE $26,000. THE -PLAYERS WOULD COME OUT FOR IT TO PLAY. WE CAN GUARANTEE THEM THEIR MONEY WHEN THEY GET ELIMINATED.....I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THIS CAN BE DONE.. 1 OF THE MANY UNTOUCHED REVENUES IS THE CITY WHERE WOULD HOLD THIS TOURNAMENT, hELL, cHESAPEAKE vIRGINIA GIVE THE u.s.open $5,000 EVERY YEAR.....JUST FOR BRINGING IN THE EPOPLE THAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING IN........OH WELL.... JUST MY HUMBLE OPINIONS...I MAY NOT BE FEELING TO MUCH PAIN RIGHT NOW AS I TOOK MY NIGHT MEDS AND THIS KEY BOARD IS MOVING ALL OVER THE PLACE AT PRESENT............MIKE
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Mike for as long as you have been around the pool scene I can't believe you would come up with something this, shall we say, not brilliant.

First off, where you going to get the $100,000 salary for Scott Smith. You don't think he will work for free do you? Plus he likes his mixed drinks.

Players paying $250 entry fee is another problem.

You do know that the Florida Pro Tour right now has a $150 entry fee with $8,000 added, don't you? And the championship coming up will have $15,000 added.

I agree with Jude, promote the existing tours.
 
Purdman said:
I saw a something kinda like that. Everybody started out with 10 chips. You played everybody 1 game. If you lost, you gave a chip back to the TD. This was in a small pool hall in Front Royal, VA. The place was packed that Saturday. There were just as many woman as there were men. I think you bought in for $10 and they paid down to 6th. There were about 50 people. Made for a fun Saturday afternoon.
Purdman
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things like this will work. smaller regional events would work great but i'd also like to see it on a much larger scale also say 500 to 1000 players or even more. let's say the top third making it in the money. since this format consists of short races the tournament length could also be relatively short making for more action each day, less venue time which leads to less tournament and venue expenses ect.... you bring in more people to play but with pool even more to watch and have a good time. everybody has a chance and a great time is had by all. especially for the tournament sponsors.;)
 
cueball1950 said:
First...lets start off by saying maybe we can get Scott Smith to be the tournament director.
2nd...we can pick a venue in some large major cities that have a couple of pool rooms. we get the owners to put up $5,000 to hold said tournament in their room. Now we get a sponsor to put up another $5,000 so that we can have a small $10,000 ADDED TOURNAMENT. WE GET THE TOP 64 PLAYERS TO AGREE TO PLAY FOR AN ENTRY FEE OF ONLY $250.00 TO MAKE THE TOTAL PURSE $26,000. THE -PLAYERS WOULD COME OUT FOR IT TO PLAY. WE CAN GUARANTEE THEM THEIR MONEY WHEN THEY GET ELIMINATED.....I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THIS CAN BE DONE.. 1 OF THE MANY UNTOUCHED REVENUES IS THE CITY WHERE WOULD HOLD THIS TOURNAMENT, hELL, cHESAPEAKE vIRGINIA GIVE THE u.s.open $5,000 EVERY YEAR.....JUST FOR BRINGING IN THE EPOPLE THAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING IN........OH WELL.... JUST MY HUMBLE OPINIONS...I MAY NOT BE FEELING TO MUCH PAIN RIGHT NOW AS I TOOK MY NIGHT MEDS AND THIS KEY BOARD IS MOVING ALL OVER THE PLACE AT PRESENT............MIKE
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Lmao...I must have been drunk when i wrote this. Yet, i don't drink.. Ok.so maybe it was the night meds i take everynight. Yup, thats it. Sorry for the stupid post people. I must get that way when i don't get enough sleep............thanks for the replies though...............mike
 
jjinfla said:
Mike for as long as you have been around the pool scene I can't believe you would come up with something this, shall we say, not brilliant.

First off, where you going to get the $100,000 salary for Scott Smith. You don't think he will work for free do you? Plus he likes his mixed drinks.

Players paying $250 entry fee is another problem.

You do know that the Florida Pro Tour right now has a $150 entry fee with $8,000 added, don't you? And the championship coming up will have $15,000 added.

I agree with Jude, promote the existing tours.
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JJ... like i said in another post... Sorry for this one. It had to have been my night meds that did it to me. I can't really even remember writing it. In caps yet... Gotta go to bed after taking the night meds....lolololol...mike
 
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