Question here Joey. Am I correct in assuming that pro-1 is more accurate than any other version of cte because it calls for different bridge lengths? Are there any other reasons its better for you, or is it just your preference? How long did you need to work with it before you felt good about it?
Kinda weird that the dvd doesnt discuss bridge length. The info Dave posted must have come from somewhere. Same question either way, whats better about pro-1, how is it more accurate?
... Am I correct in assuming that pro-1 is more accurate than any other version of cte because it calls for different bridge lengths? ...
The little thats out there about pro-1 says bridge length matters. ...
Kinda weird that the dvd doesnt discuss bridge length. ...
... If the bridge length doesnt add to the accuracy of the method, what then?
I dont know how much more specific I could be, just trying to figure out why some people think its better. If the bridge length doesnt add to the accuracy of the method, what then?
Bambu -- I'll just amplify a little on what champ has said about bridge lengths in responding to your four posts cited above.
Stan's manual CTE
Bridge length is important with this technique. Stan recommends bridge lengths from about 5" to 9" depending on the distance between the CB and OB (longer bridge lengths for longer distances apart). You can easily understand how bridge length affects the final line of aim using a manual pivot. With manual CTE, the bridge hand slides into place on the table with the cue stick offset from center CB by 1/2 tip. Then the stick is pivoted to center CB. During that pivot, the tip only moves by a small amount, let's say 1/4". But if that 1/4" tip movement is being achieved with a short bridge length (short pivot point), the stick will have to be angled more from its original position than it would be for the same 1/4" tip movement achieved with a longer bridge length. And that means the final line of aim will be different with different bridge lengths.
[Incidentally, Stan's use of a 1/2-tip pivot kind of minimizes the problems of getting the right bridge length to work in conjunction with the pivot. If a 1/2-ball offset (prior to pivot) is used instead, as in another version of CTE, the tip has to move much farther during the pivot than it does with a 1/2-tip pivot. If the stick were pivoted from normal bridge lengths with a 1/2-ball pivot, many shots would be way overcut or undercut. So an effective pivot point well behind the bridge is used for that method.]
Stan's Pro1
Bridge length is less important with this technique, although Stan does recommend something in the range of 8" to 12". With Pro1, there is no manual, on-the-table pivoting. Instead, the bridge hand slides into place on the table already at center CB. The equivalent of the right or left pivot in CTE is accomplished in Pro1 through eye and body movements, not by cue movements. For a right pivot, the eyes and body move down to the right of the center-to-edge line (CTEL); for a left pivot, the eyes and body rotate to the left of the CTEL. With the tip being pointed at center CB when the hand is placed on the table, and no pivoting from there, bridge length is less critical than with manual CTE.
Bridge distances are covered on the third screen of the Glossary on Stan's DVD.
As to accuracy of Stan's manual CTE versus Pro1, my understanding is that they are the same. Pro1 is just a more "elegant" way to place the stick on the same aiming line that would be achieved with Stan's manual CTE.
[Edit -- JoeyA, I didn't read your posts #22 and #23 until after I wrote this post.]
[Edit2 -- added "Stan's" to last paragraph just to be clear.]
Thanks all, for clearing that up a little. I only try to understand this because I'm an instructor, I find it interesting. (I dont teach pro 1 or plan on it, nothing like that.) Does the pocket come into play using either method?
you want to try again, can i take a step without my brain having these millions of tiny adjustments milliseconds? keep it real. i can see you have no experience shooting a system like cte/pro1 and this what i have posted above im "guessing" your also the guy that has just been banned with multiple accounts, not that i really care
I dont understand your first question. The answer is no. From an outsider who has read numerous fights back and for on aiming, why do you discredit the power of the subconscious mind?
I purchased Stans DVD and really chuckled at the end for two reasons. First if it was a good system there would be no reason for a pivot to correct yourself.
Second do this experiment. First go in like you usually would a shoot your shot. Now do the exact same shot but thus time place your head in a different position move it 2-3 inches to the right or left then go in and shoot the shot. Different head position gives a different picture.
There are too many variables. What you don't know is your subconscious is making corrections in your stroke to help you.
Also on the video he calls it a center pocket system, what do you do if you want to enter the right side of the pocket?
All that being said, like a placebo, if you think it helps your game great it helps your game. Use it.
One last thought. I would love to see one of the CTE believers get hypnotized, get the conscious mind out of the way so you are only shooting with your subconscious mind. Film the results. I guarantee you will play the best. There will be no conflict between your minds. Yes you would be in the Zone.
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I dont understand your first question. The answer is no. From an outsider who has read numerous fights back and for on aiming, why do you discredit the power of the subconscious mind?
I purchased Stans DVD and really chuckled at the end for two reasons. First if it was a good system there would be no reason for a pivot to correct yourself.
Second do this experiment. First go in like you usually would a shoot your shot. Now do the exact same shot but thus time place your head in a different position move it 2-3 inches to the right or left then go in and shoot the shot. Different head position gives a different picture.
There are too many variables. What you don't know is your subconscious is making corrections in your stroke to help you.
Also on the video he calls it a center pocket system, what do you do if you want to enter the right side of the pocket?
All that being said, like a placebo, if you think it helps your game great it helps your game. Use it.
One last thought. I would love to see one of the CTE believers get hypnotized, get the conscious mind out of the way so you are only shooting with your subconscious mind. Film the results. I guarantee you will play the best. There will be no conflict between your minds. Yes you would be in the Zone.
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I believe this is exactly what CTE does for its users - in the same way that the elaborately choreographed "preshot routine" practiced by zen archers "hypnotizes" them, specifically so their conscious mind will release control to their subconscious. Our conscious minds are simply not equipped to process and coordinate the myriad instantaneous computations needed at such a high level of precision....I would love to see one of the CTE believers get hypnotized, get the conscious mind out of the way so you are only shooting with your subconscious mind.
Believing CTE works differently than you do is not "having a vendetta against it", Neil. Seeing every version of reality but yours as an attack is just petty, oversensitive and childish.You've got a vendetta against CTE.
If the revelation that CTE isn't a magic aiming potion will make it "fail", then it didn't have much chance of success in the first place.You want it to fail
Pat, you are the one that can't see reality. A lot of the stuff you come up with is childish, not to mention, just plain ignorant of the facts about it. You don't like it, fine. Don't use it. But, to constantly rail against it for years as you have done shows some serious imbalance in your thinking.
I believe this is exactly what CTE does for its users - in the same way that the elaborately choreographed "preshot routine" practiced by zen archers "hypnotizes" them, specifically so their conscious mind will release control to their subconscious. Our conscious minds are simply not equipped to process and coordinate the myriad instantaneous computations needed at such a high level of precision.
And, of course, the system isn't nearly "granular" enough to be accurate by itself. Without substantial guidance from the subconscious it would miss every shot.
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