how are ya'll doing in league ?

[Roadking]

I shot decent yesterday but still lost to a 4, 3-4. I missed 2 B&R's by hooking myself on the 8 ball. Which he proceeded to run those 2 racks out for 2 of his wins. Then I missed a pretty easy 8 in the side & left him an easy straight in on his last ball.
He shot good for a 4.

 

[justadub]

i want to add -

that woman, i've known her for 3yrs now. i was there when she 1st stepped into my hall & got the table next to me. (we have to stick together) she's good....

i don't know what she's ranked, but it's not what she is. (maybe a 4/5 - and should be a 7/8?) she's her team's captain. and she's #2, of 8 teams in our room - 8 & 9ball.

she played a guy on KK9's team, whom i had never seen shoot. OMG.... as i handed her a glass of celebratory wine, i asked: WHY DIDN'T YOU FINISH HIM SOONER?

she said: I DIDN'T WANT IT TO AFFECT MY RANKING.

(and then she bought me a drink, for getting out from under her ringer)

Its obvious that people sandbag. Too many of them. It shows a lack of character, to me. Others agree with me.

But everyone doesn't do it.

I suck badly enough on my own.

And I want my Skill Level to go up, when I'm playing well enough to deserve it.

 

[JBB2388]

Its obvious that people sandbag. Too many of them. It shows a lack of character, to me. Others agree with me.

But everyone doesn't do it.

I suck badly enough on my own.

And I want my Skill Level to go up, when I'm playing well enough to deserve it.

Agree that it does show lack of character. I would never do it. I play to win. If I can't win as my SL goes up, then I need to practice more.

 

[Roadking]

And sometimes wins are hard to come by.
All so theirs a lot of shooters out there that say they lost on purpose for handicap reasons, probably 1% of them are telling you the truth.
I'm not good enough to sandbag. Every time I try I get sand in my eyes.

 

[DAVE_M]

Agree that it does show lack of character. I would never do it. I play to win. If I can't win as my SL goes up, then I need to practice more.

Agreed.

I'm still a SL5 in both 8-ball and 9-ball. I don't see myself moving up anytime soon, because of the fact we are on a barbox. There are only two 7's in our division for 8-ball and they are both locked in because of the APA tournaments.

 

[Spimp13]

We have a bye this week and next week I will be in Punta Cana (Dominican Republic) for a buddy's wedding so hopefully you guys will keep this thread going with stories and action . Somebody get a spimp patch please (6 point 9 ball break)...witnesses required obviously lol.

 

[krupa]

i want to add -

that woman, i've known her for 3yrs now. i was there when she 1st stepped into my hall & got the table next to me. (we have to stick together) she's good....

i don't know what she's ranked, but it's not what she is. (maybe a 4/5 - and should be a 7/8?) she's her team's captain. and she's #2, of 8 teams in our room - 8 & 9ball.

she played a guy on KK9's team, whom i had never seen shoot. OMG.... as i handed her a glass of celebratory wine, i asked: WHY DIDN'T YOU FINISH HIM SOONER?

she said: I DIDN'T WANT IT TO AFFECT MY RANKING.

(and then she bought me a drink, for getting out from under her ringer)

In my opinion, manipulating the scoring system is just another form of cheating.

If you're going to play, respect your opponent and kick the crap out of him/her instead of bunting balls around to run up your innings.

 

[Matt]

Its obvious that people sandbag. Too many of them. It shows a lack of character, to me. Others agree with me.

But everyone doesn't do it.

I suck badly enough on my own.

And I want my Skill Level to go up, when I'm playing well enough to deserve it.

Back when I was an APA captain, I always told my teammates that the best way to beat the handicap system is to continuously improve their game so they are always a little better than the matches that their skill level is based on. Keep doing that until you max out the handicap system and can maintain a winning record and then you're really beaten that handicap system.

 

[PINKLADY]

In my opinion, manipulating the scoring system is just another form of cheating.

If you're going to play, respect your opponent and kick the crap out of him/her instead of bunting balls around to run up your innings.

too many of yáll for me to quote -

i AGREE! and that's why i asked y'all.
on one hand, i understand "being nice" - and throwing the opponent a few bones to get his #s up, while yours can sustain the hit.
on the other hand, it's BS. and time, is $$$.

i just didn't know how widespread it was practiced?

(FYI, no one from these 8 teams, nor the LO, is a member of AZB)

 

[DAVE_M]

too many of yáll for me to quote -

i AGREE! and that's why i asked y'all.
on one hand, i understand "being nice" - and throwing the opponent a few bones to get his #s up, while yours can sustain the hit.
on the other hand, it's BS. and time, is $$$.

i just didn't know how widespread it was practiced?

(FYI, no one from these 8 teams, nor the LO, is a member of AZB)

Wanna know what's even more BS than her sandbagging?

When I played my 8-ball match on the 8 footer against the SL6, their team marked all of my safeties, but none of his. They told me just missed. The same guy, their captain, called timeout every game. Their captain is a 7 and the guy I'm playing is a 6, what in the hell do they need a timeout for?

 

[Banks]

Wanna know what's even more BS than her sandbagging?

When I played my 8-ball match on the 8 footer against the SL6, their team marked all of my safeties, but none of his. They told me just missed. The same guy, their captain, called timeout every game. Their captain is a 7 and the guy I'm playing is a 6, what in the hell do they need a timeout for?

There's nothing wrong with it. Sometimes it's just better to have a second opinion or another set of eyes. I've always encouraged people to call time-outs on me, either to suggest something they thing I may be overlooking or even to ask what I plan on doing. Nothing like a 3 calling a time out on a 7 to suggest a different shot. :thumbup:

I've always considered the handicap system a way to gauge my progress. I finally maxxed out and then the progress became my performance at my s/l. Now I'm working on regional BCA ranks and then it's on to nationals. One step at a time, right? I also push my friends/players to give it what they can, because most importantly, I want people to have fun and respect themselves.

 

[PINKLADY]

Back when I was an APA captain, I always told my teammates that the best way to beat the handicap system is to continuously improve their game so they are always a little better than the matches that their skill level is based on. Keep doing that until you max out the handicap system and can maintain a winning record and then you're really beaten that handicap system.

i like this, Matt #3.
i'll spread the word....

thank you!

 

[DAVE_M]

There's nothing wrong with it. Sometimes it's just better to have a second opinion or another set of eyes. I've always encouraged people to call time-outs on me, either to suggest something they thing I may be overlooking or even to ask what I plan on doing. Nothing like a 3 calling a time out on a 7 to suggest a different shot. :thumbup:

I've always considered the handicap system a way to gauge my progress. I finally maxxed out and then the progress became my performance at my s/l. Now I'm working on regional BCA ranks and then it's on to nationals. One step at a time, right? I also push my friends/players to give it what they can, because most importantly, I want people to have fun and respect themselves.

A 7 calling a timeout on a 6 wasn't what was annoying. It was a 7, not counting the 6's safeties, and calling a timeout every game. He recorded the timeouts, but didn't record any of the 6's timeouts.

I've been told safeties subtract innings and timeouts add innings.

 

[Spimp13]

I've been told safeties subtract innings and timeouts add innings.

Hey 2-pack Dave....I guess I never heard of the timeouts adding innings? Last I remember (keep in mind the last time I played league 3+ years ago) that a safety by a person subtracts only half an inning. So if player A does 3 safeties in the match and player B does 4 safeties you would subtract (internally on entering the data for recording purposes) 3.5 innings from the total match. I could be wrong, but this was my understanding of the last time this was asked.

 

[leto1776]

8-Ball Last Date Played: 03/24/2014 9-Ball Last Date Played: N/A
* 8-Ball Matches Played Lifetime: 45 * 9-Ball Matches Played Lifetime: 0 * Total Matches Played Lifetime: 45
* 8-Ball Matches Won Lifetime: 23 * 9-Ball Matches Won Lifetime: 0 * Total Matches Won Lifetime: 23
* 8-Ball Lifetime Win Percentage: 51% * 9-Ball Lifetime Win Percentage: N/A * Total Lifetime Win Percentage: 51%
* 8-Ball Def Shot Avg Lifetime: 0.20 * 9-Ball Def Shot Avg Lifetime: 0.00
8-Ball National Lowest Attainable: 0 - 9-Ball National Lowest Attainable: 0 -
Spring 2014
8-Ball Matches Played This Session: 11 9-Ball Matches Played This Session: 0 Total Matches Played This Session: 11
8-Ball Matches Won This Session: 6 9-Ball Matches Won This Session: 0 Total Matches Won This Session: 6
8-Ball Session Win Percentage: 55% 9-Ball Session Win Percentage: N/A Total Session Win Percentage: 55%
8-On the Breaks This Session: 0 9-On the Snaps This Session: 0
8-Break and Runs This Session: 0 9-Break and Runs This Session: 0
8-Ball Mini Slams This Session: 0 9-Ball Mini Slams This Session: 0 Grand Slams This Session: 0
8-Ball Rackless This Session: 2 20-0(Skunks) This Session: 0

Reached my first goal of attaining top ten status in lower tier, then finally reached my next goal of reaching the top five. Now to get to #4 or above. Also looking to go up in rank. Overall, Want to improve to 60% win average.

 

[DAVE_M]

Hey 2-pack Dave....I guess I never heard of the timeouts adding innings? Last I remember (keep in mind the last time I played league 3+ years ago) that a safety by a person subtracts only half an inning. So if player A does 3 safeties in the match and player B does 4 safeties you would subtract (internally on entering the data for recording purposes) 3.5 innings from the total match. I could be wrong, but this was my understanding of the last time this was asked.

If they subtract from the entire match, I see how that could be used against someone or backfire on yourself.

If Player A marks his opponents safeties and not his own, and Player A loses, well then he let his opponent get away with more innings.
If Player A marks his opponents safeties and not his own, and Player A wins, well then he got away with more innings.

 

[justadub]

There is a school of thought out there, that time outs factor into the Equalizer. That's why you'll see players calling one every game.

Unless one knows the magic formula, its all in the realm of rumor.

Can't hurt, I suppose. I don't do it, cuz I might just need that time out for a second opinion, so i don't just take'em so it can get marked down.

 

[Roadking]

It's been my understanding that TO's have nothing to do with your handicap.
Since I started playing again this session a new rule was made, 2's & 3's get 2 TO's per game. Now I see this rule as a way to move the lower handicap's up faster so teams will have to recruit new lower handicap players. Thus more money for APA.
So I think that would hurt the APA if TO's added innings.

 

[Roadking]

Wanna know what's even more BS than her sandbagging?

When I played my 8-ball match on the 8 footer against the SL6, their team marked all of my safeties, but none of his. They told me just missed. The same guy, their captain, called timeout every game. Their captain is a 7 and the guy I'm playing is a 6, what in the hell do they need a timeout for?

Dave that's why both teams keep score. As long as your team marks all the shots you think are safety's it should work out. Plus maybe add a note as to what's going on in the envelope. And isn't their somewhere on the scoresheet to comment on other players handicaps being to high or low?
What always pissed me off was when this one team we played always marked safes down for almost all missed shots.

 

[Banks]

It's been my understanding that TO's have nothing to do with your handicap.
Since I started playing again this session a new rule was made, 2's & 3's get 2 TO's per game. Now I see this rule as a way to move the lower handicap's up faster so teams will have to recruit new lower handicap players. Thus more money for APA.
So I think that would hurt the APA if TO's added innings.

For as long as I can remember, 2s and 3s always got 2. Maybe it's just something that your own LO has finally decided to do. I think TO's do calculate somewhere into it all, but not quite sure how.

Dave that's why both teams keep score. As long as your team marks all the shots you think are safety's it should work out. Plus maybe add a note as to what's going on in the envelope. And isn't their somewhere on the scoresheet to comment on other players handicaps being to high or low?
What always pissed me off was when this one team we played always marked safes down for almost all missed shots.

Our LO just tells us to write any concerns on the back of the paper. We had a team once mark a D for almost all shots missed by a 2 of ours. I think it turned out to be something like 14 D's in 16 innings. I don't think a 2 could even see that many chances to play a D. Needless to say, we wrote up a comment about it. They were being really poor sports for most of the matches. Pretty sure I said something to them, too.