How are your morals?

[FLICKit]

Oh yeah, and just to be sure that everyone understands. I play by courtesies as well. There are definitely numerous times to play that way. I just adjust to the situation at hand. As has been said, if you have an easy mark, it's wiser to be very nice and loose. On the other hand, if someone makes a legitimate call against me, then there's no need for me to get upset about it. It's part of the game. Adjust and play the game. There are definitely times to ST*U, not whine and complain, but instead bear down and rise to the competition at hand.

If someone tries to be cheap, it's better to demonstrate your ability to play by the rules, and beat that player honestly and calmly. As opposed to getting mad, upset, and losing focus, and then blaming or wimping out. If you're able to maintain composure and then cream your opponent on the table, then they'll develop much more respect for you, than if you take the angry, upset option, which in the end leaves no room for any comraderie...

Basically, it's just an opportunity that has been presented to you. When you rise up to the challenge and take down the cheap player, there is nothing more satisfying than looking em straight in the eye and shaking his hand after you've won.

Even if you lose, can still shake his hand, and use it for motivation for crushing em from thenceforth on. That kind of motivation will often make you a better and stronger player in the longrun.

 

[lukeinva]

Hey Flickit I did follow the rules after that!! I mean when you have a straight in 8ball that is 2feet away from the pocket you would think it was obvious but oh well!! Following the rules as you put it should go I know rules are rules but when a guy break and runs and you dont even have the common courtsey to say something because YOU ARE pissed that he broke and ran that is low morals my friend!!! You can say that I went by unwritten rules all you want too no problems there but when you pull something like that, that is DIRTY and CHEAP pool!!! I have told so many players there shooting at the wrong ball, after I learned my lesson I told people to mark thier pockets if they got me beat they got me beat I am not going to force a rule onto someone else just so I can win a game. Hell my own team called a foul on someone that was the most ridiculous rule and I refused to take ball in hand because that was the stupidest rule I ever heard of! I still ending up winning that match but instead of winning that game , I won the next one to win the match. The thing about rule hounds it always seems like the people that dont have the skill that you do look for every little thing they can do to try to get the game/match going thier way because in the back of thier minds they know they cant beat you on the table so the look for any other way possible! That Mr. Flickit is ridiculous!!

 

[lukeinva]

Oh and I didnt unload all kinds of insults on him after I beat him into the ground I shook his hand and said you had a great run the first game!! I kind of chuckled then I never talked to him again that season didnt call him names behind his back or anything and even when I played the same guy in playoffs and when I beat him again I shook his hand and said nice match and he came back with glad you know how to mark your pocket which we both laughed. We talk about this until we are blue in the face but basically why bother its not going to change either of our opionions!

 

[Egg McDogit]

You're missing the big picture. This has nothing to do with courtesy. Rules are put in place so we can play the game. The rules are not intended to be misused for cheap wins, it contradicts their purpose. Play the game, not the rules.

peace
-egg

Prime examples of 1 guy playing by the rules. Another guy playing by some unwritten rules. When the opponent doesn't get his unwritten courtesies, but instead the rules are followed, the so called courtesy player develops attitude about it. Quite hypocritical to be saying play by courtesy, whilest getting angry about someone playing the game as it is intended, by the rules. Often times this results in a brawl, argument, or at the least one or more players (sometimes just innocent bystanders) becoming disgruntled.

 

[Boro Nut]

You're missing the big picture. ...The rules are not intended to be misused for cheap wins, it contradicts their purpose.

You're missing the bigger picture. In what sense can a rule be misused by being applied? Only the reverse can possibly be true. If you break any rule, you haven't won. It's as simple as that. That's why they call them rules and not guidelines.

I take it for granted that I play in a sport culture that plays to all the rules. We have absolutely zero conflicts of this sort. Why is that a situation you want to avoid? If you elect to enter a competition and can't be bothered to read the rules and adhere to them you only have yourself to blame when you foul.

Boro Nut

 

[vapoolplayer]

You're missing the bigger picture. In what sense can a rule be misused by being applied?
Boro Nut

you just made the 9 ball, and the ball is slowly rolling down the CENTER of the table. its not going to magically curve into a pocket so you stop the cue ball.

your opponent calls a foul, the 9 ball is spotted and they take ball in hand.

would you like more examples of how rules are misused?

its called common sense........something that your posts are continually showing you are without.

thanks

VAP

 

[catscradle]

Sometime I think MORALS DECAY with age. ...
As I said I think about 60ish some peoples moral Some Time Decay, as they don’t have long to live, but the Churchs in our Community seem to pack in the Sinners ever Sunday looking to make thing right sould it be their last SUNDAY..

Egad, in a year my morals will decay and I'll no longer have long to live. You're as bad as the Mutual of Omaha Insurance Co. who raised my term life rates through the roof last year (58 must be a magic number). I would have dropped the policy, but my wife wouldn't let me. Hmmmm, what's she thinking?

 

[vapoolplayer]

i also hate the rule that some tournaments have that if you concede the game ball, then you lose a rack off of your score..........wtf.

at a tourney about a month ago, on the women's side, i saw one woman scratch on the 9 ball, so she just proceded to rack, her opponent informed her that the rules stated that she loses that game and that she owes a game off of her score(basically loses another game) for conceded the ball. talk about a cheap ass way to win.

i understand when you get down to the last 16 or so in a tourney and there are plenty of spectators that you want the players to shoot all the balls......but damn.

VAP

 

[catscradle]

Your post points out many of the reasons why I'll never play in the APA again! The APA is for sheep, who like to send in their money each week and make a few in St. Louis rich! It's not about pool at all, it's a cross between a Pyramid scam and a game of rules manipulation! You may enjoy it, but not nearly as well as the chosen few in St Louis enjoy spending your money!

just more hot air!

Sherm

Sherm,
The APA isn't so bad. The way I look at it is I'm paying 6 bucks for a night out, if somebody else is making a bundle I don't care. The only thing that I care about is if I'm enjoying myself. Hell, I don't drink, but most APA players spend more money on drinks that night than they do the APA. I don't worry about other people sandbagging. I don't care about making it to Vegas.
When I go out to a movie (or more likely rent a DVD at Blockbuster) it doesn't bother me that the Hollywood types are rolling in money because of my few dollars. It bothers me if I think the movie sucks. Same thing with the APA, it doesn't bother me somebody may be making a bunch of money; it does bother me when my team starts arguing with the other team about sandbagging or whatnot and I don't enjoy the evening. Every year I try to go to the Super Billiards Expo. I know Hopkins is making a bundle, but so what, I'm enjoying myself.
I guess I'm just another bleating sheep.

 

[Egg McDogit]

You're missing the bigger picture. In what sense can a rule be misused by being applied? Only the reverse can possibly be true. If

rofl...oh man. I give up. You're right. I'm wrong. Oh damn! I forgot. By conceding this thread, I lose an argument on the next thread I post in...argh!!

peace
-egg

 

[Cue of Fury]

I like getting some money back at the end of the session.

 

[FLICKit]

Player A has one set of coutesy rules.
Player B has a different set of courtesy rules.

For the most part everything flows fine between them.

If a disagreement occurs based on a difference in courtesy rules, how do you determine who is right?

 

[chefjeff]

Player A has one set of coutesy rules.
Player B has a different set of courtesy rules.

For the most part everything flows fine between them.

If a disagreement occurs based on a difference in courtesy rules, how do you determine who is right?

That's easy...take it to the parking lot!

Oh, I supppose you mean they could look in the "rule"book? Somebody oughta do something with that idea!

Jeff Livingston

 

[Boro Nut]

you just made the 9 ball, and the ball is slowly rolling down the CENTER of the table. its not going to magically curve into a pocket so you stop the cue ball.

What does it say in the rules? If this situation is covered, and from your response I suspect it is, why do you think they bothered? Just so you could ignore it? If you are playing in competition of any sort you play by the rules. All the rules.

Boro Nut

 

[Cue of Fury]

What does it say in the rules? If this situation is covered, and from your response I suspect it is, why do you think they bothered? Just so you could ignore it? If you are playing in competition of any sort you play by the rules. All the rules.

Boro Nut

Enjoy those cheap wins!

 

[cheesemouse]

Player A has one set of coutesy rules.
Player B has a different set of courtesy rules.

For the most part everything flows fine between them.

If a disagreement occurs based on a difference in courtesy rules, how do you determine who is right?

The least courtious one is right.....LOL

 

[gromulan]

I read all the responses before posting - these are my standards but bear in mind I only play very serious games:

- I will never take a win if a player 'failed to patch' a pocket, presuming his shot was an obvious one, unless forced to do so by the referee as in some pro tournaments. If we're playing some kind of call-shot game then i'll ask what the call is if I don't know. Playing straight pool and bank pool, I've found that good players will always call a shot that is less than obvoius.

- If I'm playing nine ball or eight ball and the player goes to shoot some kind of illegal shot, as in the wrong ball, I never inform them. It's your responsibility to know the rules, not mine. I'll usually tell him of something illegal he's about to do if he asks me, though.

- If I'm playing one-pocket I never tell my opponent that he's shooting at my pocket, mostly because it's hard to tell what he's really up to most of the time. However, I will happily tell him afterwards, bearing in mind that if he continues and shoots a second ball into my pocket then according to the rules it automatically becomes his pocket. (that rule is the same in 8 ball, btw). I will always tell him what pocket is his if he asks.

- If a player breaks the ball and miscues or whatever, I usually take the break because the game starts when the tip hits the ball. My break and he's on one foul.

- If an opponent moves a ball by accident during a shot, I usually elect to leave it where it was. If it moved a fair distance then I always put it in a spot that offers me the most advantage (within reason). If he has a problem with that then he should avoid moving balls. I happily accept all consequences if I move a ball by accident.

- If I'm playing snooker and a player is running out, unaware that he needs snookers, I won't tell him. Again, it's his responsibility to know the score.

- I always give my opponent the same rack as I would give myself.

- If I foul and I know it, I always tell my opponent (to the horror of many stakehorses, I might add). Amazingly, this policy has NEVER cost me a match.

 

[vapoolplayer]

What does it say in the rules? If this situation is covered, and from your response I suspect it is, why do you think they bothered? Just so you could ignore it? If you are playing in competition of any sort you play by the rules. All the rules.

Boro Nut

why don't you ask yourself why the rule was invented? the purpose was to keep people from stopping the cue ball if it was going to scratch.

if its obviously NOT going to scratch, then its abusing the rules calling it.

again.....i stand by my guns, you're proving yourself over and over to be a complete idiot.

thanks

VAP

 

[FLICKit]

why don't you ask yourself why the rule was invented? the purpose was to keep people from stopping the cue ball if it was going to scratch.

if its obviously NOT going to scratch, then its abusing the rules calling it.

again.....i stand by my guns, you're proving yourself over and over to be a complete idiot.

thanks

VAP

Why not just leave it alone?

That eliminates all the complications that could erupt.

Just go get your break stick instead. That'll save time.

 

[vapoolplayer]

Why not just leave it alone?

That eliminates all the complications that could erupt.

Just go get your break stick instead. That'll save time.

thats what i would do.........i was merely giving him an example, because he said that rules can't be abused, when in fact they can.

VAP