How beneficial is an aiming system?

The money is better spent paying for pool time shooting a worthy opponent at a decent pool hall. getting your ass beat game after game. Paying Attention, and making your oppurtunities count.Then you can develop something those DVDs can't teach you.

Heart, Guts, and Balls to not choke when it counts.
 
Translation:

My info is out there loud and clear = buy my DVD.

Lou Figueroa
and if "the truth"
doesn't work for you
it's your fault

You still don't get it, do you? If all Stan wanted was for people to buy his DVD so he could make money, he wouldn't have most of the info on free you-tube videos, would he? He is out to help people play better pool than they now are. He has a burning desire to help others. What's your burning desire that you feel you must hinder that desire of his at every turn?
 
You offer no sound arguments to support your point of view. It's always the same thing: I've studied it (so what); Mark has not studied but would concur (how do you know); Corey would benefit (you don't know that); and blah, blah, blah.

If just once you put forth a hypothesis, gave your supporting data and arguments, and defended your position in a logical manner at least that would be something.

But you don't.

Lou Figueroa

My work is out there and it is correct. Mr. Lou, just present one single CTE shot that does not work as prescribed.

Stan Shuffett
 
What science do I need? I don't know.. whatever science shows that it works?

You also didn't make it sound easier aligning points instead of just shooting the ball where it needs to go to make the other ball fall.

Again, your story is very vague, but I've said that in a previous post regarding that as proof.

Take an APA 3 that's been stuck there for years, turn them into a 7(or even a 5 or 6) and show me their APA stat history because that can be looked up rather easily on their site.

If anybody wants to provide proof that it works as claimed, feel free to start a thread in the aiming forum stating such. Until then, I'm still not buying into it.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled threads..
Seeking knowledge is what science is all about. To gain knowledge you must experience, practice whatever it is you are trying to become more knowledgeable in. CTE PRO 1 is a body of knowledge with testable explanations. All the proof you need are in the DVDs and supplemental youtube videos. I have given you specifics and you discard them as "vague". If you truly want to gain knowledge, you must first empty your cup.
 
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Since you would not honor your claim that your DVD would "stand alone," a refund should have immediately been in order for me and all those who were dissatisfied.

But no, you took the dough and ran.

I sold because you would not refund.

Lou Figueroa

You were not a student of CTE. You were a HATER of CTE and still are. You did not buy my DVD to learn CTE. You had negatives motives, CLEARLY.

Stan Shuffett
 
You still don't get it, do you? If all Stan wanted was for people to buy his DVD so he could make money, he wouldn't have most of the info on free you-tube videos, would he? He is out to help people play better pool than they now are. He has a burning desire to help others. What's your burning desire that you feel you must hinder that desire of his at every turn?


Neil, I have no burning desires (that do not involve Ann Hathaway).

And I am not hindering anything. Remember: we are a discussion board. So I'm just talkin' here, boss. I do not believe Stan ever makes his case in a convincing way. It's alway his say so. I would like to see him present a hypothesis, with supporting arguments and proofs, and then defend it when questioned. Some sort of peer review if you will. I do not believe that's unreasonable. But instead, all we get is the same ol' garbage.

Lou Figueroa
 
Since you would not honor your claim that your DVD would "stand alone," a refund should have immediately been in order for me and all those who were dissatisfied.

But no, you took the dough and ran.

I sold because you would not refund.

Lou Figueroa

At least be honest about it Lou. You know very well that you did not do as the DVD said to do. You did not take it to the table, set up the shots, and practice it until you understood it. You watched it, said B.S., and tried to get a refund. Even if you tried a few shots, that is all you did. You never put an honest effort into actually learning it.
 
You were not a student of CTE. You were a HATER of CTE and still are. You did not buy my DVD to learn CTE. You had negatives motives, CLEARLY.

Stan Shuffett


That is not a logical defnse of your system.

If you have a theory: present it, support it, defend it.

Lou Figueroa
 
I don't comment a lot about aiming systems because the conversations get so crazy. For me, however, CTE significantly improved my ability to make many shots at a playable percentage than I could make before using it. It took a while to get good at, but has definitely improved my game.

Of course a straight stroke as mentioned before is paramount so you can actually hit it where you are aiming, but given a good stroke, a good aiming system can raise a person whose current aiming needs improvement up a full ball.
 
At least be honest about it Lou. You know very well that you did not do as the DVD said to do. You did not take it to the table, set up the shots, and practice it until you understood it. You watched it, said B.S., and tried to get a refund. Even if you tried a few shots, that is all you did. You never put an honest effort into actually learning it.
I thought all you had to do was buy the DVD and let the magic happen. :wink:
 
The burden of proof is not on me. You are the one selling something :-)

Lou Figueroa

CTE PRO ONE Is real and proven. CTE is now spreading all around the world and your efforts to discredit what I have presented are meaningless. You lose!!

Stan Shuffett
 
At least be honest about it Lou. You know very well that you did not do as the DVD said to do. You did not take it to the table, set up the shots, and practice it until you understood it. You watched it, said B.S., and tried to get a refund. Even if you tried a few shots, that is all you did. You never put an honest effort into actually learning it.


Here's what kills me: you HAVE NO CLUE what I did to study it, nor how long I spent with it. You just assume the worst.

It's the same old BS defense: you didn't study it long enough; you didn't commit to it; you didn't come to it with an open mind.

If the system made any sense do you not believe a life long pool player wouldn't be able to figure it out and want to use it improve if it the system offered that, lol?!

Lou Figueroa
 
CTE PRO ONE Is real and proven. CTE is now spreading all around the world and your efforts to discredit what I have presented are meaningless. You lose!!

Stan Shuffett


Provide the proof.

An argument; geometrical diagrams and explanations; sumthin'.

Lou Figueroa
 
Shinobi,
That's an interesting comment, Stan seems to have a lot of support what bothered you about CTE?

Fair question.

I've written about it in more detail in other threads. The gist of it is, that part of the steps of CTE still involve feel+experience. ie: When you step into the shot, the line you step in comes from experience. When you decide to shoot a shot, with experience you decide whether that shot requires a pivot from L-R or R-L, etc.

What some people against CTE say is, it's still adding some feel and adjustments when you tweak your sight line, bridge hand, pivot.

If there is going to be that much feel+experience built into the shooting, I don't see the point of complicating things. Truthfully, I don't find aiming to be the difficult part. When I miss balls it tends to be because I needed to use a lot of juice on the ball, and misjudged the squirt/throw.

In any case, I specifically quoted the parts of the DVD where Stan references feel and experience, in another thread. His replies are just about spot on to what Lou implied. I didn't give it a chance. I have a closed mind. I don't get it, etc.

I won't say CTE works or doesn't work. To me it just seems like an oddly and unnecessarily complicated way of attempting to aim. If it works for someone, it's no skin off my back, but I'd never recommend it to anyone personally.

As an aside to that, none of the best players I play with use CTE. None of the snooker players use CTE, and for them aiming precision is far more critical, obviously. When I work on my stroke more, my play improves because I'm able to more consistently hit the ball where I intend to. I never feel that the aim point is the difficult part of the equation, and I highly doubt that anyone who practices sound mechanics and fundamentals for any length of time will either.
 
The burden of proof is not on me. You are the one selling something :-)

Lou Figueroa

Oh, so very wrong again Lou! The burden is on you. Stan made a claim that it works. He has shown that it does. As many others have testified to also. It's up to you to show the shot that it doesn't work on if you want to claim it does not work. Selling something has nothing to do with it at all.
 
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I get my aim by looking thru the ball at a spot on the rail and shoot for that and just let the object ball "get in the way".
Long straight shots i pick a spot in the back of the pocket and aim for that and just let the object ball get in the way.
So yes I guess i use a system of sorts but it's all mainly self taught thru trial and error.

That's very interesting because I've played around with that same thing on many shots. Really helps when I'm struggling. Shooting at a distinct point (like the point of a diamond for example) has always been a lot easier for me to do than to try and shoot directly at the surface of a sphere.

I see the shot as something like a door hinge, with the hinge pin in the ghost ball position. The object ball is in essence "not there" for me once I have the correct visual image. It just "gets in the way" the way your method works. During my practice strokes I open and close the hinge very slightly in my mind until it look right. When it looks right, I fire.

One day I was down on a shot and I realized I can just extend the one leg of the hinge (the stroking line) all the way to the rail if I want and shoot at that spot, just like you do. Ball goes in either way if I lined up careful enough... even while looking at the CB last, and even with my eyes closed.
 
Here's what kills me: you HAVE NO CLUE what I did to study it, nor how long I spent with it. You just assume the worst.

It's the same old BS defense: you didn't study it long enough; you didn't commit to it; you didn't come to it with an open mind.

If the system made any sense do you not believe a life long pool player wouldn't be able to figure it out and want to use it improve if it the system offered that, lol?!

Lou Figueroa

CTE is different at first and no one expected you to ever get past different.

Stan Shuffett
 
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