How did Florian Kohler do this trick shot

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naji

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Check this trick shot out, it is one of the shots shown on ESPN Trick Shot Magic show on 12/28.

Does anyone has a clue or can do it? help! Even Andy Sigel could not avoid the double kiss to the one!!

Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvssubTIong
 
naji said:
All copy rights to ESPN Sports Network.


Check this trick shot out, it is one of the shots shown on ESPN Trick Shot Magic show on 12/28.

Does anyone has a clue or can do it? help! Even Andy Sigel could not avoid the double kiss to the one!!

Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvssubTIong
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I can do it, in fact I do a similar shot where I draw the cueball three rails. I think a lot of the guys on here can do that shot.
 
naji said:
All copy rights to ESPN Sports Network.


Check this trick shot out, it is one of the shots shown on ESPN Trick Shot Magic show on 12/28.

Does anyone has a clue or can do it? help! Even Andy Sigel could not avoid the double kiss to the one!!

Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvssubTIong
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hi Gilbert,

well, this trick shot is a "simple" derivative of the N°35 fig. of the artistic billiard program , part of the "G set". coeff 7 , not so hard they say ...

see my pic as attached file ... (sorry, it's in french ) . Note than there is up to 5mm between CB and OB 1 , usually 3-4mm is ok. the more , the easier.

It is a fouette-draw , you need a very flexible shaft, a soft tip , and almost no follow-through "inside the ball" , like for all fouette-draw. Tip/english at the edge of the miscue limit mehhh.

fast stroke is the key. "light with a lot of speed" :-) they say . it is a good advice. LIGHT with speed...

to see if this fouette is legit/ok , the CB must do a light "stop-start" ... the noise of the hit doesn"t indicate when foul or not. stop/start does.

just for the record, Florian has learned all the artistic billiard program , and , believe me, he isn't ridiculous when it comes to artistic billiard ( he can do >>50%) .
 

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DogsPlayingPool said:
The way the CB hugged the rail he didn't really even need the combo to make the pocket bigger.
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The trick to what he did is he has the balls at an angle. You see this when they show a replay from above. That makes it easy to get the cue tip out of the way and the cueball come back down the rail. If he set them up straight in frozen to the rail, now that would really be something.
 
macguy said:
I can do it, in fact I do a similar shot where I draw the cueball three rails. I think a lot of the guys on here can do that shot.
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I think it depends on how far apart the balls are and the angle you take into the cue ball. He appeared to be shooting almost straight at the ball.

It helps to have the right kind of shaft for the shot.

In general the shot type (close draw or follow) is a standard fancy shot. Here are three shots from the official international carom fancy shot competition which is described in more detail at http://www.ciba-online.net/ Note in particular the last one.

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Bob Jewett said:
I think it depends on how far apart the balls are and the angle you take into the cue ball. He appeared to be shooting almost straight at the ball.

It helps to have the right kind of shaft for the shot.

In general the shot type (close draw or follow) is a standard fancy shot. Here are three shots from the official international carom fancy shot competition which is described in more detail at http://www.ciba-online.net/ Note in particular the last one.

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At the end of the clip they have an above view and he has them at an angle. If you zoom in it looks like they are about 1/4" apart. Also when he shoots it the cue ball does not come back very fast it just about make it down the rail.

He has the speed of stroke done good. A lot of guys screw up the shot hitting it too hard.
 
Thank you all great hints and help

Wow great support and help at AZB. I will try this again and again, it is not easy at first. Will see.

Again thanks to all.
 
naji said:
Wow great support and help at AZB. I will try this again and again, it is not easy at first. Will see.

Again thanks to all.
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Start with an easier shot, like the first image I posted. If you turn it a little counterclockwise, the first ball goes into a pocket on a pool table and you can make two balls. The shot Florian made is more difficult.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Start with an easier shot, like the first image I posted. If you turn it a little counterclockwise, the first ball goes into a pocket on a pool table and you can make two balls. The shot Florian made is more difficult.
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Wow thanks Bob, finally i was able to stop and draw a little bit the CB with about 3/8" distance between ob & cb,

Also thanks to erriep light and fast advice.


Ok, now i was about to convert and think that some people are just talented and cannot come close to what they are made of, but i guess i will stay on this side, and say God gifted talent has nothing to do with pool, what you know and how much you want to learn is what make you talented!!

Love it when i learn something new...love you all..
 
macguy said:
The trick to what he did is he has the balls at an angle. You see this when they show a replay from above. That makes it easy to get the cue tip out of the way and the cueball come back down the rail. If he set them up straight in frozen to the rail, now that would really be something.
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I was referring to the two object balls in the pocket at the other end.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Start with an easier shot, like the first image I posted. If you turn it a little counterclockwise, the first ball goes into a pocket on a pool table and you can make two balls. The shot Florian made is more difficult.
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I noticed the shaft has to be prallel not pivoted to get it to go out of the way, and allow cb to pickup max english.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think it depends on how far apart the balls are and the angle you take into the cue ball. He appeared to be shooting almost straight at the ball.

It helps to have the right kind of shaft for the shot.

In general the shot type (close draw or follow) is a standard fancy shot. Here are three shots from the official international carom fancy shot competition which is described in more detail at http://www.ciba-online.net/ Note in particular the last one.

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His cue ball is hugging the rail never bouncing or leaving it
I have said it before and I'll say it again this kid could bring the cool back in pool single handily . Getting the kids interested is half the battle
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Guys,

Don't know a thing about trick shots. Does the fact his tip moved the rack during the shot have anything to do with making the shot?

Lyn
 
macguy said:
I can do it, in fact I do a similar shot where I draw the cueball three rails. I think a lot of the guys on here can do that shot.
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I was watching that shot when it was on TV and also thought it was relatively simple. It wasn't until I realized there was next to no draw at all involved that I said holy heck! It is almost entirely a side spin shot. When you mention draw in your response it makes me think you don't realize how difficult and interesting this shot is. I think that Andy got up next to try the shot and failed as he was trying to add draw to the shot.

Also, if you disagree with me that is fine, but saying "a lot of guys on here can do that shot" when Andy Sigel failed it twice (4 time trick shot pro) is quite a claim.
 
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