How do you deal with a sudden inability to make balls?

klockdoc said:
Most of the time when this happens to me, it is because I am not concentrating on specific shot making.

This can come in the form of trying to throw off in a game to a weaker player, say, in 8 ball, or in your instance with One Pocket. Shooting shots that are generally "in the area" required. Not specifically at a pocket or specific point, but, a general area. By doing this, you are getting lazy in performing your shots.

I believe that if you would have continued to play 9 ball, you would not have had this lapse.

Even when playing One pocket, you must pick a specific point to shoot the object ball to, or a specific aim point and you will not lose that shot making mode. JMO


Actually, I played 9 ball before the tournament, non-stop, for well over an hour...

Do you think playing one-pocket would have that kind of effect on me more than three hours after, considering the hour and a half nine ball session which followed the one-pocket, where my friend told me I was playing great?

Flex
 
SPINDOKTOR said:
you played alot of pool before the tournament, to much imho.....playing alot before a tournament, is as bad showing up ice cold 5 min before the tournament...

I suggest 1 hour of solid practice, spend the rest of your time, watching matches, or relaxing....On tournament day, hopefully you have spent quality time at the practice table...now its time to relax and just do what you do... The act of playing in a tounament in itself will not suddenly make you focous or play better...If your not prepared do not play...almost always your going to be disapointed, some people may just feel like quitting...Once this has happened it may take 6-12 months to recover..


Its the will thats broken, I believe all players experience this at some point. How you deal with it determines your overall success...

I myself, the harder im pushed the better I play, this is no accident..Instead of fearing the game or situation, realize this may be your chance to experiance what top players do...dont look at your opponet as better, or worse...they play no part in your performance...if they do, or you feel they do you have uncovered a weakness...

Do yourself a favor, prepare and come back strong...give yourself a fighting chance..if you dont know how, visit my site, and feel free to e-mail me with questions, or for a drill.. just please describe whats going on, and I will take this to the practice table myself (if nessasary), and find a solution.. This is what my site is all about...


SPINDOKTOR

Very good advice. About coming back strong... I've learned that it's necessary to pick oneself up and come back fighting, which is what I did.

Yesterday, I played so-so with some friends, but in the evening went to a local pool hall and put in about 5 hours of pool. Part of that time was spent on some rather tough drills, tough at least for me, and then Gil Hernandez came over to my table and we played some nine ball for about 45 minutes.

My game is back, as I knew it would be. In the second rack, he missed a shot on the 2 ball, and left a table with three or four tough situations to navigate. Nevertheless, I ran it out. Felt GREAT!

In some of the other games, I pulled out a monster draw on a straight in 8 ball to get shape on the 9. He gave me two games after potting the 8 and getting decent shape on the 9. All that sure was a confidence booster.

Flex
 
JoeyA said:
Lots of VERY important things to consider have already been said. I'm sure there are others that will soon offer. You mention fatigue because you know that could be a definite possibility.

I have started to warm up for no more than an hour before a day long tournament. I also don't want to be competing with someone before the tournament. I now prefer just to work on getting comfortable with my game rather than trying to beat up on someone else. There is a time for competition, a time for practice and a time for warm up. Don't spend your energy unwisely. You're not 25 years old, you know. :)

I have been trying to figure out what happens when my game goes to hell and still be able to correct it. Some of the things can be corrected if you can tell what they are. Even fatigue can be combated during the match if you know what's happening although I am least effective at doing this.

I think everyone should make a list of all the things everyone is offering and read over the notes when your game turns to dirt. Your opponent might want to know what you are reading and lose track of what he should be doing. :D I hope that's not unsportsmanlike conduct. :o

OH and I don't like to watch other people's matches. It seems to wind me up like a spring watch.
I've found that if I sit and not talk or talk about things other than pool, I am far better off....
JoeyA


Wow, Joey, there's a ton of wisdom in your post, and very good advice.

This game is way more mental than many people think...

Any suggestions on how to combat fatigue in the middle of a match?

Rep to you!

Flex

Edit: doggone thing won't let me hit you with more Rep for now... Sheesh....
 
Steve C said:
One of my past instructors would say.

"When you get tired of missing start aiming."

I have a one page article titled the eyes have it that I wrote dealing with my personal experiences and discoveries.

Since I am a new poster on this forum I did not know if it would be appropriate to post it here but you can find it at
www.members.aol.com/blkbeltbilliards
if you are interested or I would be happy to email it to you.

I just started playing again after an 18 month lay off and this is how I spent my first hour or so at the table.

Take Dead Aim
Steve

Thanks, Steve, and welcome!

I just read through your website. Top notch advice there. Thanks!

Flex
 
JoeyA said:
Welcome Steve. I'm going to check out yoru article and personally I wouldn't mind seeing the article here on AZ.

OOPS. That page can't be found. I will PM you with my email address. Please check your PM.
Thanks,
JoeyA
JoeyA

That page worked fine for me...
 
Fast Lenny said:
This is the most simple and logical reason why,i am in this state right now,i have had it last me at times a day or up to a month or so and its horrible to play like that.I plan on getting out and practicing and playing with focus and concentration,for about the past 2 months i was playing lights out and i think i might have gotten to comfortable and free wheeling too much. :cool:

Very possible.

Mark Wilson told me I was too loose, and needed to tighten up my stroke.

What great advice he gave...

BTW, that advice to tighten things up is contrary to the conventional wisdom...

Flex
 
Flex said:
Actually, I played 9 ball before the tournament, non-stop, for well over an hour...

Do you think playing one-pocket would have that kind of effect on me more than three hours after, considering the hour and a half nine ball session which followed the one-pocket, where my friend told me I was playing great?

Flex


Flex, Sorry, I must have missed that section where you stated that you shot 9 ball after the one pocket.

Also, I am not saying that one pocket would make you shoot worse, I was just saying that if you are not aiming at a specific spot, (like the pocket in 9 ball), I believe one has a tendency to go lax in the aiming process unless you are picking specific points to aim to versus general areas.

Lots of good suggestions posted here, but, if your fundamentals are fairly sound, I don't believe they changed much during a short time span. More in the mind and tiring of the eyes. JMO
 
lots of good posts here, the whole "smooth" thing is a good idea.......and also youre preshot routine is crucial.

This same thing used to happen to me, always when i was shooting really good. I figured out that i would start rushing my shot, cuz i wasnt missing anything, and next thing ya know im skipping parts of my preshot routine.......end up getting out of line, not following thru etc. Get a preshot routine that works for you and use it on every shot and do the same thing everytime.......smooths out the rollercoaster
 
If the question were.."How do you deal with the sudden ABILITY to make balls".. I'd have some feedback.
But seriously, don't let it bother you too much. Tomorrow is another day. However for today..lighten your grip, and concentrate on hitting the cb in the middle.
 
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Flex said:
Wow, Joey, there's a ton of wisdom in your post, and very good advice.

This game is way more mental than many people think...

Any suggestions on how to combat fatigue in the middle of a match?

Rep to you!

Flex

Edit: doggone thing won't let me hit you with more Rep for now... Sheesh....

Flex,
Thanks for the rep attempt. I'll take a rain check. I have been chasing The Gingerbread Man for so long, I am fatiguing in the race. :) With the Avatars hanging over Jay's head, I hesitate to try and pass him up. :D


To combat fatigue during a match you are going to have to perform some tests on yourself. A lot of the decision making is relative to how long you have to turn things around, your physical conditioning and how your body reacts to stimulants.

First thing to do is what was suggested by Hu and others, but first go to the bathroom and remove your shoes and socks and place them in the toilet and flush the toilet several times, giving new life to your feet. OldHasBeen claimed it would give you an additional three hours of prime time.

What Hu and others also suggested was to run cold water and to cool your face and neck. I like to wash my hands and wrists in cold water first then rinse off my face and neck thoroughly and basically cool down my body. Most of the time when I am fatigued I am also hot. The cooling down has helped me feel better and less fatigued.

I have used coffee with sugar as a short term stimulant with good success when I am very tired. If I am rested the coffee and sugar have a negative effect on my ability to play and it simply makes me nervous. This is where you have tofind out for yourself how you react to the stimulants. Some people especially the younger guys seem to live on Red Bull.

I am looking forward to trying Rodney Morris's energy drink, EXTREME FOCUS. It is supposed to be debuting at Valley Forge although I don't know if I will make that tournament or not.

I also ALWAYS carry nutritious hi-energy bars that are sold at Whole Food stores around the country.

WATER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT STIMULANT THAT YOU CAN USE. I think I will get an AMEN from all of the health gurus of the world for this.

YOu can also test your body out with GatorAid and other energy drinks because I have found that what works well for one person does not always work well for another.

When I prepare for a tournament, I force myself to sleep extra HOURS each night three days before a tournament. It seems that I build up a little extra juice in my batteries if I do this. Sometimes I will upon awakening in the morning, simply close my eyes and lay there quiet and not moving for an extra hour or more. My mind is already awake and I will be thinking many thoughts during this time. It will seem like 10 minutes has passed but when I open my eyes to check on the alarm clock I find that an hour or more has passed so I know I have been sleeping. I do this especially on tournament day and it gives me a little more zip.

I also do some stretching and deep breathing which also seems to give me some slight relief from the fatigue. I quit worrying about what others think and stretch to my heart's content. :D

Like most things in life, you are going to have to learn for yourself what works best for you but these items should be a map for you to get started.

This is an excellent thread!

EVERYONE who enjoys competition should write down ALL of the suggestions and refer to it from time to time. Most of these suggestions have come from someone's own personal experience and success.

GEEZE................, I almost forgot and this one has saved me many a time: Try different eye drops and find which one works best for you and use them during the match to refresh your eyes. EYES THAT FEEL REFRESHED seem to help me concentrate better.........
JoeyA
 
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When the balls ain't droppin' I protect the old bankroll, and reduce the size of my wagers. I then concentrate on the fundamentals, and the stroke comes back. Hopefully it don't cost me too much in the mean time.
 
Flex said:
It's happened to me quite a few times. Maybe it has happened to you too.

Yesterday, I was playing really well (for me, that is) in the morning with friends, playing games of rotation. I consistently beat them for probably something like an hour and a half or two hours; then one of them wanted to move to 8 ball so he could have a chance. I continued winning and finally lost a game, and got knocked off the table (9 foot Gold Crown with medium tight pockets).

Continued shooting with them (total about 5 hours playing time) and left to go to Chris's in Chicago. Get on table 10, quite tight pockets, and am shooting very well. Practice on that table for about 45 minutes. Play some one-pocket with a much stronger player for the time, he spots me the breaks. At a certain point my game goes to pieces, and I start missing balls. Melt down occurs. Total time: hour and a half.

Take some time off, and chill a bit, then an hour and a half later go in to the tournament room to warm up. Warm up is usually an hour, but often goes to an hour and a half, the 9 ball tournament has over 30 players.

I warm up with a friend who's much better and am playing pretty well. At one point he says that I'd have already beaten him (if we were playing a match to our handicaps.)

In my tournament match, I get on the hill, and my opponent's game seems to go to pot. The next game, I start having trouble potting balls I shouldn't ever miss. It gets worse. While I make a few, I can't stay consistent. He ends up winning the match.

My question is this: What's going on here? Is it fatigue? I played terribly, and can't otherwise figure out why...

Any advice on how to deal with this sort of thing?

Flex

When in a game, I just play it to the conclution and forget about it. The next game seems to go better if you are not mumbling to yourself about how you suck. I won a tournament this way after being beat in the 1st or 2nd round by a much worse player.

When practicing, I just stop trying to shoot balls in and practice other things like position, palying with kicks, playing a 3-cusion type game where the object is not to pocket the ball, but to make the cue hit the 2nd ball on the table. Then I take a break, get a coffee, chat with folks, come back to the table. If I still can't make a ball, put the sticks away, and hang out.
 
Mark Wilson was the gentleman I was referring to regarding "When you get tired of missing - start aiming." Small world.
 
JoeyA said:
To combat fatigue during a match you are going to have to perform some tests on yourself. A lot of the decision making is relative to how long you have to turn things around, your physical conditioning and how your body reacts to stimulants.

Water has always helped. Also coffee with sugar, Pepsi too.

First thing to do is what was suggested by Hu and others, but first go to the bathroom and remove your shoes and socks and place them in the toilet and flush the toilet several times, giving new life to your feet. OldHasBeen claimed it would give you an additional three hours of prime time.

Not so sure I want to put my feet where others have left their you-know-what. Tried it at home after washing the toilet and didn't do much for me.


What Hu and others also suggested was to run cold water and to cool your face and neck. I like to wash my hands and wrists in cold water first then rinse off my face and neck thoroughly and basically cool down my body. Most of the time when I am fatigued I am also hot. The cooling down has helped me feel better and less fatigued.

That also works for me.

I have used coffee with sugar as a short term stimulant with good success when I am very tired. If I am rested the coffee and sugar have a negative effect on my ability to play and it simply makes me nervous. This is where you have tofind out for yourself how you react to the stimulants. Some people especially the younger guys seem to live on Red Bull.

I am looking forward to trying Rodney Morris's energy drink, EXTREME FOCUS. It is supposed to be debuting at Valley Forge although I don't know if I will make that tournament or not.

I also ALWAYS carry nutritious hi-energy bars that are sold at Whole Food stores around the country.

WATER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT STIMULANT THAT YOU CAN USE. I think I will get an AMEN from all of the health gurus of the world for this.

YOu can also test your body out with GatorAid and other energy drinks because I have found that what works well for one person does not always work well for another.

When I prepare for a tournament, I force myself to sleep extra HOURS each night three days before a tournament. That suggestion is a bit tough for me to do, but I'm sure it's a good one. It seems that I build up a little extra juice in my batteries if I do this. Sometimes I will upon awakening in the morning, simply close my eyes and lay there quiet and not moving for an extra hour or more. My mind is already awake and I will be thinking many thoughts during this time. It will seem like 10 minutes has passed but when I open my eyes to check on the alarm clock I find that an hour or more has passed so I know I have been sleeping. I do this especially on tournament day and it gives me a little more zip.

I also do some stretching and deep breathing which also seems to give me some slight relief from the fatigue. I quit worrying about what others think and stretch to my heart's content. :D

Like most things in life, you are going to have to learn for yourself what works best for you but these items should be a map for you to get started.

This is an excellent thread!

Yes, the suggestions have been awesome!

EVERYONE who enjoys competition should write down ALL of the suggestions and refer to it from time to time. Most of these suggestions have come from someone's own personal experience and success.

GEEZE................, I almost forgot and this one has saved me many a time: Try different eye drops and find which one works best for you and use them during the match to refresh your eyes. EYES THAT FEEL REFRESHED seem to help me concentrate better.........

That's one I'll have to try.

JoeyA

Joey, you certainly put a lot of thought and time into this response, for which I am most grateful.

Flex
 
Stroke Faux Pas

Flex said:
Joey, you certainly put a lot of thought and time into this response, for which I am most grateful.

Flex

One more thought for you Flex: When you find yourself missing balls and you know that you have aligned yourself properly and are still missing and possibly fatigued, ask yourself, "Am I still attempting to accelerate the cue through the cue ball?" This doesn't mean hitting the cue ball just that you have a smooth, accelerating final forward stroke (also occasionally referred to as a "confident stroke"). If you are decelerating on the final stroke you are committing a major stroke faux pas. I think this is a probably cause for me missing when I get tired. If I can remember this when it starts happening and I am able to correct it, I will let you know. You do the same or anyone else for that matter.
JoeyA
 
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