How do you feel about Craftmaster tables?

I've been following this post and sorry to be frank but no matter what table you buy, expect on paying money for new cloth and setup. And for just a bit more, you can have the cushions replaced at the same time. I mean what is the point of getting the table if you try to set it up and it rolls out a foot and the cloth bunches up in your hand when you make a bridge.

So here is a quality table as confirmed by Ray Martin, an actual World Champion, and several table mechanics who also posted in this thread. If you buy a Brunswick GC, no way you will find one for 400. And it will still cost the same in parts and labor above the cost of the table itself.

Most of the tables you will find for less than 500 are the junk particleboard home tables that non-pool players buy.

Regarding the seller who paid 500 to professionally dismantle the table and store it... it was his employer who paid that. That's what they do when your job moves and the employer pays for the move. He didn't put a dime up of the 500. So if he wants to give it away, the 500 doesn't mean anything to him.

In conclusion, if you are a serious player, you should spend 1000 to 1500 for a used commercial GC or Diamond and have it rebuilt with new cushions, and new simonis cloth while it is professionally set up.

If you are not a serious player, 400 for a good quality furniture table made in the US is a great deal.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I've been following this post and sorry to be frank but no matter what table you buy, expect on paying money for new cloth and setup. And for just a bit more, you can have the cushions replaced at the same time. I mean what is the point of getting the table if you try to set it up and it rolls out a foot and the cloth bunches up in your hand when you make a bridge.

So here is a quality table as confirmed by Ray Martin, an actual World Champion, and several table mechanics who also posted in this thread. If you buy a Brunswick GC, no way you will find one for 400. And it will still cost the same in parts and labor above the cost of the table itself.

Most of the tables you will find for less than 500 are the junk particleboard home tables that non-pool players buy.

Regarding the seller who paid 500 to professionally dismantle the table and store it... it was his employer who paid that. That's what they do when your job moves and the employer pays for the move. He didn't put a dime up of the 500. So if he wants to give it away, the 500 doesn't mean anything to him.

In conclusion, if you are a serious player, you should spend 1000 to 1500 for a used commercial GC or Diamond and have it rebuilt with new cushions, and new simonis cloth while it is professionally set up.

If you are not a serious player, 400 for a good quality furniture table made in the US is a great deal.
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You know to be honest with you, I would probably get this, and buy new cushions for it, but 3 of the legs have chunks torn out by his dogs and that's kind of a turn-off for something that will be displayed in the middle of our living room and we don't have any animals.

I believe 3 of the legs were damaged. As you can see in the picture, it could probably be refinished to hide the obvious change in color but I don't know...

Table definitely looked solid underneath.

I'm not sure I understand what you meant here:
"I mean what is the point of getting the table if you try to set it up and it rolls out a foot and the cloth bunches up in your hand when you make a bridge."

Wouldn't the cloth be fine to re-use if it was done professionally? As you can see in the pics, it looks fine and appeared to roll fine in person. Just curious, you guys are the pros.
 
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Jim Vondrell said:
You have spent enough time looking already so don't settle for that. What happened to the one 48 miles away the olhausen
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You know what, I completely forgot about that one since this was local and I was pretty set on picking it up. Let me dig that up and contact him.

Edit: I did contact him but never got a response. I'll try one more time.

I've seen a couple nice tables but they are either completely taken apart or partially dismantled. As Gold Crown mentioned above, that's kind of a risky approach.

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This is one in specific:
http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/gms/2501888253.html

"We dismantled the rails, legs, slate is in 3 pieces (not 1 solid pc), and blue felt is taken off but intact. The varnish is alittle chipped but other wise it is a beautiful classic olhausen table. The table comes complete with cue balls, rack, wall rack for cue sticks, cleaning brushes, and chalk. Sorry no cue sticks. I was asking for $500 but am willing to make a deal. I am a motivated seller. Thank you for your interest."

Little less than an hour away.
 
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Sonic04GT said:
You know what, I completely forgot about that one since this was local and I was pretty set on picking it up. Let me dig that up and contact him.

Edit: I did contact him but never got a response. I'll try one more time.

I've seen a couple nice tables but they are either completely taken apart or partially dismantled. As Gold Crown mentioned above, that's kind of a risky approach.

Another edit:
This is one in specific:
http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/gms/2501888253.html

"We dismantled the rails, legs, slate is in 3 pieces (not 1 solid pc), and blue felt is taken off but intact. The varnish is alittle chipped but other wise it is a beautiful classic olhausen table. The table comes complete with cue balls, rack, wall rack for cue sticks, cleaning brushes, and chalk. Sorry no cue sticks. I was asking for $500 but am willing to make a deal. I am a motivated seller. Thank you for your interest."

Little less than an hour away.
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That table does not look like an olhausen in my opinion of course. So if you go there ask to see the rails until you see the one that says olhausen.
 
Sonic04GT said:
Yeah I contacted him earlier. He says it's still available. Awaiting more info.
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Looks like it's in garage. (outdoors) research it. Take someone with you. Make lower offer if you like it
 
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Sonic04GT said:
Yeah I contacted him earlier. He says it's still available. Awaiting more info.
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If you really want to buy a good table then quit horsing around and look at that Oldhausen for $475 OBO. He'll probably take $400 and you'll have a quality table. It won't last long at that price. So stop waiting for more info and Carpe Diem (in other words get off your a.. and seize the day).
 
ArizonaPete said:
If you really want to buy a good table then quit horsing around and look at that Oldhausen for $475 OBO. He'll probably take $400 and you'll have a quality table. It won't last long at that price. So stop waiting for more info and Carpe Diem (in other words get off your a.. and seize the day).
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Even after it has been sitting in a hot humid Florida garage for who knows how long?
 
Sonic04GT said:
You know to be honest with you, I would probably get this, and buy new cushions for it, but 3 of the legs have chunks torn out by his dogs and that's kind of a turn-off for something that will be displayed in the middle of our living room and we don't have any animals.

I believe 3 of the legs were damaged. As you can see in the picture, it could probably be refinished to hide the obvious change in color but I don't know...
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Buy a table that you'll be proud to display in the living room even if you have to pay more for it. :smile:
 
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Sonic04GT said:
Even after it has been sitting in a hot humid Florida garage for who knows how long?
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What I recommend is that he goes and looks at the table. If the finish is good, and the slate is good, then go ahead and offer the guy some money. Heat and humidity may or may not affect the wood finish depending on how it was treated and finished. Heat and humidity will definetely affect the cushions - but if you buy a used table, you probably will put new cushions and cloth on it. If the finish is bad, if legs are missing, or some other physical deformity then don't buy it. But you do have to go out and look at it. Seems to me that Sonic wants to gather a bunch of info and opinions from the forum but doen't want to drive 10 miles to go look at the table himself. And by the way, what should he expect for $400? Certainly not a Gold Crown 5 that has never been in a pool room and was owned by a little old lady and used only as a decoration. I'd would look for a Brunswick, Oldhausen, Conolly, or Gandy in half way decent shape physically. I'd expect a few blemishes and I'd expect to replace the cusions and cloth. My point is that you can't do that just sitting at home. A couple of quality tables have been mentioned on this thread but there seems to be always a problem (too far to drive, etc., etc.). I'll say again, my point to to go and look at some tables and personally evaluate them. If Sonic doesn't feel he knows enough about tables, then ask a friend to go with him - but do something....
Sorry to unload but I drove 100 miles to buy my Global Bar table, which I got for $150 - the asking price was $400. And it wasn't the first table I looked at.
 
ArizonaPete said:
What I recommend is that he goes and looks at the table. If the finish is good, and the slate is good, then go ahead and offer the guy some money. Heat and humidity may or may not affect the wood finish depending on how it was treated and finished. Heat and humidity will definetely affect the cushions - but if you buy a used table, you probably will put new cushions and cloth on it. If the finish is bad, if legs are missing, or some other physical deformity then don't buy it. But you do have to go out and look at it. Seems to me that Sonic wants to gather a bunch of info and opinions from the forum but doen't want to drive 10 miles to go look at the table himself. And by the way, what should he expect for $400? Certainly not a Gold Crown 5 that has never been in a pool room and was owned by a little old lady and used only as a decoration. I'd would look for a Brunswick, Oldhausen, Conolly, or Gandy in half way decent shape physically. I'd expect a few blemishes and I'd expect to replace the cusions and cloth. My point is that you can't do that just sitting at home. A couple of quality tables have been mentioned on this thread but there seems to be always a problem (too far to drive, etc., etc.). I'll say again, my point to to go and look at some tables and personally evaluate them. If Sonic doesn't feel he knows enough about tables, then ask a friend to go with him - but do something....
Sorry to unload but I drove 100 miles to buy my Global Bar table, which I got for $150 - the asking price was $400. And it wasn't the first table I looked at.
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You said it yourself, I don't know anything about tables besides what I learned on here, nor do I know anyone, or feel like paying someone. I drive a V8 on premium fuel so I'm not running all over town burning gas only to get there and find out the owner decided not to tell me via email that their dog tore chunks out of the legs.

Eventually I'll come across someone honest that is forced to sell because they are moving and let it go for a good deal. That's twice in a row now that I arrived and found out something the owner simply could have told me through email or on the phone.

I don't want to waste my time and I don't want to waste their time.

This is what I got back from the Olhausen guy.

"When it is disassembled and moved, I would recommend the buyer have it refelted as it has been in garage. If it were in excellent condition it would be $4,000.00. Cushions and slate top in good condition. Let me know if you want to see it. Thanks for your interest."

I think I'd rather wait and find something that was indoors as opposed to a table he kept in his garage which I'm sure has had all kinds of crap thrown on top of it or banged against it.
 
Sorry if I offended you. It's your money and you're decision. Hope you the best in finding a nice table.
 
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