i_maycotte
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I agree with those coming in to the short side of the 3 seems to be the best and safest route to ensure shape from the 3 to the 6. Once on the 3 and not straight it, the out is pretty trivial.
How do you make position here?
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pete lafond said:
Yes, that is a possibility, which is why I would aim for a 2nd rail hit at the same level as the 6 ball. The 3 is below the 6, so as long as you hit that spot the 6 does not come into play either before or after the rail.
With sufficient angle this is not a hard shot, but it does benefit from some siding (running to increase the angle and speed off the first rail). The stun shot suggestion would be a much harder hit ball, which for me is never as good (but a lot of fun, so I hit 'em hard sometimes anyway, miss 'em fast as it were
).Dave
Here is my "3 to the 6" route.i_maycotte said:
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For the short side of the 3 crowd, how do you play shape on the 6, from the short side of the 3? I'm not saying, 'it can't be done' , just wondering if you already had a route in mind.
Tracy
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I like this best. The two ball is a two way shot. Your opponent will be left safe if you miss it. Position on the two is also a two way because if you get too straight in, just make the two, bank the three one rail and duck behind nine:
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I like this best. The two ball is a two way shot. Your opponent will be left safe if you miss it. Position on the two is also a two way because if you get too straight in, just make the two, bank the three one rail and duck behind nine:
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Egg McDogit said:
There are many ways to do it.
However I believe it's the best to position for the lower left pocket, leave the cue ball on the inside of 3 ball to the pocket line. Then you can do a regular stun shot to bounce the QB off the end rail for the optimal position on the 6.
imho, 9 ball is more about getting good shape frequently to make easy shots than make great shots frequently. The one who knows how to play good pattern will win in the long run.
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Wei
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There are many wayss to play this shot as many great posts here state. I do tend to like my path because I feel most comfortable with it;
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This is a common 3 Cushion shot and one worst case is brushing the 3 ball. Even still there will be a shot on the 3 afterwards. If someone has problems with speed/angles, then I could see hitting rail first below the 3 sending it up table as a problem though still makable. (if speed is a problem so are expected angles, then all shots are dangerous.) Also, getting on the 6 is fairy easy even if you get straight on the 3, you can still create an angle or just shoot up table is also a very good shot.
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This is a common 3 Cushion shot and one worst case is brushing the 3 ball. Even still there will be a shot on the 3 afterwards. If someone has problems with speed/angles, then I could see hitting rail first below the 3 sending it up table as a problem though still makable. (if speed is a problem so are expected angles, then all shots are dangerous.) Also, getting on the 6 is fairy easy even if you get straight on the 3, you can still create an angle or just shoot up table is also a very good shot.
The shot shown by Zeeder and others is probably the way to go, but the 7 could obstruct the shot where it is positioned, so the original positional shot requires good accuracy to get a perfect angle on the 2 ball.
So I would seriously consider the 2 railer with high inside english. This is a shot that I think all players should know very well, as it is a pattern that can be used regularly to bring the CB through the center of the table on corner pocket shots.
Position for the 2 ball on this shot is simple, and if you know your angles with IE on this shot for the table you're playing on, you should have no problems running close to the path indicated.
If you have grippy rails, you could play to get a bit straighter on the 2 ball and load up with more IE for this shot which naturally runs through the center of the table.
Colin
So I would seriously consider the 2 railer with high inside english. This is a shot that I think all players should know very well, as it is a pattern that can be used regularly to bring the CB through the center of the table on corner pocket shots.
Position for the 2 ball on this shot is simple, and if you know your angles with IE on this shot for the table you're playing on, you should have no problems running close to the path indicated.
If you have grippy rails, you could play to get a bit straighter on the 2 ball and load up with more IE for this shot which naturally runs through the center of the table.
Colin
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Colin Colenso said:
These are also very good shots. I would definitely play it this way if the path did not exists for the earlier shot described. For me personally, only because I feel more comfortable, is to go the 4th rail I described because it takes a lighter stroke and a bit more natural for me having played billiards.
I think many of the other posts are also high percentages for the players which is why they posted it. Given this I can see it is always good to get comfortable with other position paths as well.
Colin Colenso said:
While I agree this is a common and useful shot, it too will take a much harder stroke than other routes, likely even stronger than the stun shot suggestion. It is also an inside english shot which some find more difficult than outside english (on the pot). It is absolutely a viable shot when blocking balls make other routes more dangerous, but for me it is not my first choice due to the speed required. It is howver a shot that will impress the railbirds !
Dave
http://CueTable.com/P/?@2AJvH1BKpf4...I2kbeo2kJRi1kJSS1kbGY4kCjj3kEek1tfjP00/00&ZZ@
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Shot #1 is nice because you're not hooked at any point between the 2 and 3. Shot #2 is nice because you have a very large margin of error for both angle and speed going from the 2 to the 3.
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Shot #1 is nice because you're not hooked at any point between the 2 and 3. Shot #2 is nice because you have a very large margin of error for both angle and speed going from the 2 to the 3.
Egg McDogit said:
This would be the route I would take. I think the cue ball escapes the side pocket scratch and you don't have to be afraid of hiding the cue behind the nine ball as you can can add a little more speed to the cue if you think it is going to hide behind the nine and just come a little closer to the three ball.
JoeyA
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JoeyA said:
Assuming you can create the CB path described. This is an excellent method.
thanks for all the suggestions...very helpful