How Do YOU Make These Shots?
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CaptainJR said:
Here is the shot that DM described. How would you hit this shot, to intentionally scratch?
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Tracy
RSB-Refugee said:
Tracy, here is the shot DM talked about.
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If shot with center ball and you make the shot the cue ball will hit the bottom rail at A. If I wanted to scratch on purpose I would have to put a little draw on the cue ball.
CaptainJR said:
Captain...what has gotten into you....you used to just make good posts about pool...lately you just seem to be looking to bicker...
You've seen the movie "The Hustler" were Fats says to Eddie..."Play pool Fast Eddie" .....well..."Talk pool Captain"...
BTW....I spent about 5 minutes at the table the other day and came up with a "conversion" process that will allow you to see that your "Gost Ball" aim can be converted directly into the HH 3-line system with a very simple point and pivot of the cue.....
Stand directly behind the OB...and put you tip right in the center of where the "Ghost Ball" will be...A real good way to determin where center will be is to look at the reflection of your cue tip in the OB...When it is half way up the center of the OB, your cue tip is now in the center of the "Ghost Ball"..(and the reflection should also be where the "actual contact point" is...a double bonus.
Now...(leaving your tip in that spot on the cloth) pivot the butt of your cue directly over the center of the CB. You will see one of three "AIMS". 1) Center CB to 1/4 OB 2)Center CB to edge OB 3) 1/4 CB to edge of OB
(the side of the 1/4 of the OB or CB should be obvious depending on the direction of the cut)....once you have learned the HH system it becomes real obvious which of the three aims to use.
This is just a simple "conversion method" that allows you to see that even though the two systems are "viewed" different at line up, they both end up with the two balls hitting the exact same spots at impact for either system.
I still strongly suggest you call Hal first, and ask him "specifically" about the 3-line system and the "rifle and the water tower story" .......I won't repeat the story on line, you must call him....Even if you interested in nothing more than broadening your horizons on aim......it's worth the $2.50 phone call.
That is as much as I can do for you are anyone for that matter regarding aiming.
vapoolplayer said:
I do something similar...and I do use the 3-line system... I found one of the hardest parts of the 3-line system (for me) was using 1/4 CB to line up a shot...I have always from day one used the center of the cue ball, so that is what I am comfortable with, and the Center to 1/4 and Center to Edge were easy to see.
Instead of trying to eye up 1/4 CB, I started using the left and right side of my shaft. It lets me see 1/4 CB much much easier for alingment
merylane said:
PM me your email address..........i'll explain it.
anyone who has PMed me.......i'll respond tomorrow.........i'm tired and hungover............
VAP
RSB-Refugee said:
The easiest way to intentionally scratch is to hit half of the object ball with a center ball, medium speed on the cue ball. It is pretty much an automatic scratch (I just went back and hit it 10 times on my table and scratched 9 out of 10, the one I missed I probably hit a little too full). Of course you don't make the object ball but the cue ball will go directly in the pocket.
Wayne
drivermaker
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LastTwo said:
I thought about it, but Capt. is waaaaay out of his league. He only gets into minor skirmishes here and there. I've been in forum wars against some of the greatest warriors that make WWI and WWII look like schoolyard fights. This would be like taking candy from a baby. I don't even want to bother.
CaptainJR said:
Well you can hit it slowly with center ball and it won't scratch as it picks up topspin. Also, you can scratch it using too hard follow or too soft draw.
I'm guessing you knew that anyway JR.
wayne said:
The english billiard players, who are the experts at scratching, prefer to play most scratches with topspin on 1/2 ball contact, varying the speed to create the needed deflection angle. On this particular shot, I guess a good billiard player could scratch 1000 times in a row playing it with firm speed, 1/2 ball.
drivermaker
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wayne said:
Yeh, but you have to realize Wayne that scratching 9 out of 10 times on that shot can also only come from having a hack stroke. You aren't anywhere NEAR the player that CaptJR is playing on his 7' table.
(Do you think you might need to buy a boat cap to keep the table lights out of your eyes)
drivermaker said:
OK, my self-esteem needs a little smashing, so I'll bite...
1.) I line up the (left) edge of my tip with the (right) edge of the OB.
2.) I line up the center of my tip with the (left) edge of the OB.
3.) I close my eyes and smack 'em hard as I can...oh no, that's DM's balls...Cane described it best, but I'll try: I determine the angle of the OB that is to be made relative to the first OB. Then I figure the angle of the first OB and aim my tip (right, left, or center of it) at whatever part of that ball that is necessary, depending on the angle it has to go to hit the second OB.
Before I hit any of these, I go stand in line with the OB's path, or sometimes place my eyes directly above the shot, and visualize the whole shot, OB path, CB path, collisions, even ghost ball sometimes, etc. Then I go use my aiming technique. All of this makes me confident and sure (damn, sounds like a deoderant commercial).
Blast away,
Jeff Livingston
drivermaker
Banned
chefjeff said:
Don't worry...you can't hurt 'em....they're brass.
*Colin takes note...#US pool uses brass balls*drivermaker said:Don't worry...you can't hurt 'em....they're brass.
Damn I learn a lot here!
Colin Colenso said:
So let's see, there are 10,000 really good English billiard players, so there are probably 100,000 good English billiard players and they could all scratch 1000 times in a row, therefore, they would make the shot 100 million times in a row.
MAN, now you have me convinced English billiard players (and snooker players) are GODS.
Here in the U.S. the Billiard players are not nearly as good, if they shoot this shot 1000 times and try to scratch in the corner pocket they make it 0 times but of course they have no pockets on the billiard tables.
Wayne
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I said could, not would.wayne said:
I haven't played english billiards for 20 years seriously, but I grew up playing that game quite a lot. The shot is very very easy to scratch on the way I describe if you have spent any time practicing half-ball in offs as we call scratches.
It's about the same difficuty as potting a ball off the foot spot from straight behind it, 18 inches away I would estimate. Could you make that shot 1,000 times in a row. You might miss through losing concentration, but you could do it. The odds would depend on the actualy player and their ability to concentrate over the long term.