Here's the layout, the game is 8-ball, you're solids, your opponent is an A player:
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Just curious what most would do.
-Andrew
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Just curious what most would do.
-Andrew
How do you play this shot?
- Thread starter Andrew Manning
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I'd ease it up behind the 1.
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I always scratch in the side if I go the other way, or I end up with a long bank shot on the 8.
I'd tap the cue slightly into the 1-ball, leaving the cue on top of the 1.
Reasons:
-Playing shape is obviously difficult, hence the reason for the post
-You leave your opponent jacked up over a ball. The cut at that length and angle while jacked up is something I'd bet even money even Efren would miss. As well, the straight bank at that angle with the 8 at its position is a double-kiss.
-Once your opponent misses or fails to execute a good safe (perhaps trying to bank the 8-ball to tie up your 1.... v. difficult), you have the 1-ball sitting in front of the pocket. Game over.
Reasons:
-Playing shape is obviously difficult, hence the reason for the post
-You leave your opponent jacked up over a ball. The cut at that length and angle while jacked up is something I'd bet even money even Efren would miss. As well, the straight bank at that angle with the 8 at its position is a double-kiss.
-Once your opponent misses or fails to execute a good safe (perhaps trying to bank the 8-ball to tie up your 1.... v. difficult), you have the 1-ball sitting in front of the pocket. Game over.
Try this......Takes a good stroke, but works well especially on a bar table.
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how tight?
This is why I asked how tight the pockets are. Even on 4.5" pockets I would feel that this shot with shape either way would be about 95-98%. i would go for it. I would probably try the follow with a lot of left, but it would depend on the angle. Your mind can see things much better in 3D than on a 2D wei table. I might go with bottom right.
I doubt that I would go for the safety. Two much hcance of either hitting at the wrong speed and coming away from the one or hitting the rail first and fourling. If playing BCA or IPT rules you'd be screwed.
I think for a good shooter the shot would be to go for it. The average good shooter would probably be better off shooting it with left and a little bit of follow Like stray bullet illustrated.
StevenPWaldon said:
This is why I asked how tight the pockets are. Even on 4.5" pockets I would feel that this shot with shape either way would be about 95-98%. i would go for it. I would probably try the follow with a lot of left, but it would depend on the angle. Your mind can see things much better in 3D than on a 2D wei table. I might go with bottom right.
I doubt that I would go for the safety. Two much hcance of either hitting at the wrong speed and coming away from the one or hitting the rail first and fourling. If playing BCA or IPT rules you'd be screwed.
I think for a good shooter the shot would be to go for it. The average good shooter would probably be better off shooting it with left and a little bit of follow Like stray bullet illustrated.
I would do this
I would shoot it like this: I, personally, don't think it
would be a problem.
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Grinder ... I really don'[t see you getting there with your shot. Getting to
the foot rail angle you show is difficult, to say the least, and even if you
did, you would lose 'speed' and just have a spinning cue ball that would
come up way short of where you showing it going.
I would shoot it like this: I, personally, don't think it
would be a problem.
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Grinder ... I really don'[t see you getting there with your shot. Getting to
the foot rail angle you show is difficult, to say the least, and even if you
did, you would lose 'speed' and just have a spinning cue ball that would
come up way short of where you showing it going.
Seeing how the OB is off the rail you should be able juice it with low-right english coming just short of the side pocket and over to the other corner...
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Andrew Manning said:
1. Soft middle-high right English to get the CB towards the side pocket (on the one ball side). Need a little high to get the CB to flair a bit and climb up table.
2. Another option is to just place safe off the one if you feel the 8 is too difficult. In which case leave the CB on top of the one to make bridging difficult for your opponent.
3. Or if the one ball is touching the rail. Play a soft carom as if you wanted to scratch in the corner off the one. The double kiss will keep you from scratching and the CB will be behind the one.
The shot I posted requires a thin hit on the one, but I can assure you it works well as I have shot it many times. If you can not hit the one ball thin enough then I agree you would have to draw the ball back 2 rails.
I definitely agree with this. play it conservative around the diamond before the sidepocket exactly like snapshot9 has it drawn up. one of the lines someone else posted is impossible btw.
Snapshot9 said:
I'm out from here. It is a sharp enough cut that I don't have to worry about scratching in the side. Good slightly firm stroke low right going two rails close to position A. If the cue ball was a little farther up table it brings the side pocket into play. In that case I'd play the reverse english three rail position.
ok....after looking at the diagram again my shot is not the way to go, the cuball would have to be up table a little more or the one would have to be closer to the pocket...
jsp said:
Scott
I just tried your shot like 10 times, and the cue ball kept doing something like this (with the low left English)... what am I doing wrong?
you're using the wrong english. you need to use outside (right in this case) english. depending on how far the cb is off the rail, you may need to use some draw too.
straybullet said:
Either way you decide to shoot this shot, 3 rails inside english, or 2 rails outside english, it's a touch shot. Hitting it hard to get straight in position on the 8 is where most people mess up. That is NOT the ideal position to get. Grinder explained it best for the inside english 3 rail shot. Hitting the 1 thin is the key so that the CB has a chance to react with the left hand english. Using right hand english, you want to hit more of the 1 so you can get the CB as close to the opposit side pocket w/o scratching. But, remember, your ideal position is at the 2nd diamond on the top rail to shoot for the 8. Not all the way down to get straight in, that's what makes the shot tougher than it is. Peace, John.