How Does A BYE Work?

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Dawgie

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http://www.pool4u.com/docs/pool4u_brackets.pdf

If you go to the brackets I just posted you will see this is a sheet for 8 tournament players. In the pool4u website there are directions for this format and it goes on to say that if the numbers of player exceed 8 there is an appropriate "bye" position. I don't see this position. How do you fit in the 9th or maybe 10th players????????:confused:
 
Dawgie said:
http://www.pool4u.com/docs/pool4u_brackets.pdf

If you go to the brackets I just posted you will see this is a sheet for 8 tournament players. In the pool4u website there are directions for this format and it goes on to say that if the numbers of player exceed 8 there is an appropriate "bye" position. I don't see this position. How do you fit in the 9th or maybe 10th players????????:confused:
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If you have more than 8 players, you need to move to the 16 man bracket, and then you will have open spots in the brackets as Byes. Ideally you will not put 2 Byes in the same opening match. Put them in at random, then do your random drawing for who will play in the other spots.
 
Dawgie said:
http://www.pool4u.com/docs/pool4u_brackets.pdf

If you go to the brackets I just posted you will see this is a sheet for 8 tournament players. In the pool4u website there are directions for this format and it goes on to say that if the numbers of player exceed 8 there is an appropriate "bye" position. I don't see this position. How do you fit in the 9th or maybe 10th players????????:confused:
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You go to the next page to the 16-player bracket. With 9 players there will be 7 BYES.
 
soulcatcher said:
If you have more than 8 players, you need to move to the 16 man bracket, and then you will have open spots in the brackets as Byes. Ideally you will not put 2 Byes in the same opening match. Put them in at random, then do your random drawing for who will play in the other spots.
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You don't want to put the byes in random spots; you want to put them where this guide tells you.
 
Dawgie said:
http://www.pool4u.com/docs/pool4u_brackets.pdf

If you go to the brackets I just posted you will see this is a sheet for 8 tournament players. In the pool4u website there are directions for this format and it goes on to say that if the numbers of player exceed 8 there is an appropriate "bye" position. I don't see this position. How do you fit in the 9th or maybe 10th players????????:confused:
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When you have more than 8 players, you have to get a 16 player chart. More than 16 players, and you'll need a 32 player chart. That's why you generally see 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, etc. (all powers of two) for double elimination tournaments.

They have other number charts, but those have the byes already in place.

I've attached a bye chart to help people out. You just pick the number of players in the tournament, get yourself the appropriate player chart, then put the byes in place. The easiest way to number a bye chart is from top to bottom: #1 is the first name, #2 is the second name, all the way to the end.

AFter the byes are in place, then draw the players into the brackets. Never ever ever ever ever put 'byes" along with the names and draw them like that.

Fred
 

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mikepage said:
You don't want to put the byes in random spots; you want to put them where this guide tells you.
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I remember playing in one big event where all of the byes were in the bottom quarter of the chart. It's hard to find good TDs. In one position Bye played Bye, and someone got a bye in the second round of the winner's side.
 
Fred,

Your bye chart starts at the top of the chart whereas all the other bye charts I've worked with start at the bottom of the chart:

http://www.cuetimes.com/ByeChartHelp.htm
and
http://www.playbca.com/Portals/0/pdf/byechart.pdf

Barbara

Cornerman said:
When you have more than 8 players, you have to get a 16 player chart. More than 16 players, and you'll need a 32 player chart. That's why you generally see 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, etc. (all powers of two) for double elimination tournaments.

They have other number charts, but those have the byes already in place.

I've attached a bye chart to help people out. You just pick the number of players in the tournament, get yourself the appropriate player chart, then put the byes in place. The easiest way to number a bye chart is from top to bottom: #1 is the first name, #2 is the second name, all the way to the end.

AFter the byes are in place, then draw the players into the brackets. Never ever ever ever ever put 'byes" along with the names and draw them like that.

Fred
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This is the best way.

Barbara said:
Fred,

Your bye chart starts at the top of the chart whereas all the other bye charts I've worked with start at the bottom of the chart:

http://www.cuetimes.com/ByeChartHelp.htm
and
http://www.playbca.com/Portals/0/pdf/byechart.pdf

Barbara
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This is definately the best way to figure the bye spots. I was at a 9-ball tourney with 13 players. The TD chose "Random" spots for the bye's and the favorite player to win it (IMO) magically got a bye through the frist and second rounds of the winners side. I promptly expressed my concerns and showed the TD how to place the 3 bye's correctly. Cracks me up sometimes.

-AJ
 
Bob Jewett said:
I remember playing in one big event where all of the byes were in the bottom quarter of the chart. It's hard to find good TDs. In one position Bye played Bye, and someone got a bye in the second round of the winner's side.
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LOL! I've played in one of those, too!

When a BYE makes it to the money round, you know something's not right!

Barbara
 
Dawgie said:
http://www.pool4u.com/docs/pool4u_brackets.pdf

If you go to the brackets I just posted you will see this is a sheet for 8 tournament players. In the pool4u website there are directions for this format and it goes on to say that if the numbers of player exceed 8 there is an appropriate "bye" position. I don't see this position. How do you fit in the 9th or maybe 10th players????????:confused:
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I remember playing a tournament and this is what was done if we had 9 or 10 players. Any more than 10 we went with the 16 player board.

The way we handled it was we placed an extra bracket at the top (for 9) and one at the bottom for the 10 players.

# 1 player and # 9 player [from the draw] (in the case of 9) played each other. The winner of that went to the #1 spot in the original bracket to play the # 2 player, the loser played the loser of the match between match #15 & #16. (this eliminated the same players from playing each other twice).

The winner of the loser bracket then moved back into the original board bracket in the loser of the first match. He played an extra game is all.

Worked out fine and without all them byes.
 
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