How far would you go???

mycustomcues

mycustomcues

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ok...Im just curious!?


If you are playing a Dear friend and he has done obvious cheating on a regular basis when you're playing him a race and there is something at stake, how far would you go?

I mean for me and him, its not about the money because we both can afford the stakes. But for me, its the principle and respect of the game that matter! I've given him multiple advice before because of our friendship but it gotten to the point where I just could'nt tolerate it anymore! It cost me a brand new custom shaft on eone of my nice cue and luckily I was able to control my self with the butt of my cue!

Does this ever happen to any of you? I mean how far would you go? Did I go too far by breaking one of my shaft on the table in front of him out of my anger!

I totally lost my control and usually pretty good at controlling it! Do I need to go to anger management? (lol/:rolleyes:/:grin:)



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I need more info such as were you playing bar table 8 ball pool? What some consider cheating is just smart pool to others.
 
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sde said:
Your dear friend does not sound like someone I would enjoy playing.

Steve

Do not loan him any money.
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he actually do have money! Its sad because he is really interested in the game! I guess he just dont like to play fair or just dont like losing! We've played probably 1500 games since we meet and during that whole process, I found him cheating at least 50 times!


In fact, I've told him that If he wants to learn to play pool seriously he first need to learn how to play fair and square! I guess If its somebody else he's playing, Im sure that the shaft that I broke would have wind up somewhere else!




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From my view, you have a few options, and you can pick the one that suits you best.

1. You can stop playing him for good and end you friendship, which I take, you guys are dear friends and you wouldn't want that, so this is out of the question.

2. Confront him about it, start calling fouls. See how he likes that. Maybe next time, he will be losing his shaft.

3. Splinter him with the broken shaft by rubbing it on the back of his neck. :D jk

4. Keep playing him, and let your best game beat the crap out of him, use his little moves that he pulls as shark moves or whatever, and let it make you a stronger and better player.

He cheats because he cannot win straight up correct? Do you value him much as a friend? If he value you the same, and you talk to him about him cheating and not shooting fair, I'm sure he might get better. Hope it works out for you.

Chino
 
mycustomcues said:
ok...Im just curious!?


If you are playing a Dear friend and he has done obvious cheating on a regular basis when you're playing him a race and there is something at stake, how far would you go?

I mean for me and him, its not about the money because we both can afford the stakes. But for me, its the principle and respect of the game that matter! I've given him multiple advice before because of our friendship but it gotten to the point where I just could'nt tolerate it anymore! It cost me a brand new custom shaft on eone of my nice cue and luckily I was able to control my self with the butt of my cue!

Does this ever happen to any of you? I mean how far would you go? Did I go too far by breaking one of my shaft on the table in front of him out of my anger!

I totally lost my control and usually pretty good at controlling it! Do I need to go to anger management? (lol/:rolleyes:/:grin:)



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If you're able to keep winning despite his antics, I would say let it go, and keep taking his money.

People like this cheat because they aren't sure their game can get them there honestly....When their tactics don't work, it's beautiful to watch the life flow from them.

If they can't beat you honestly, and can't beat you by cheating, that means they can't beat you, period.

Realizing this has driven many "players" away from our beautiful game...because they don't care enough to improve-they just want to win.

Sad, really.

Edited to add: This may not be the best course for a dear friend, but let's face it....real friends don't try to cheat one another. JMO
 
DO NOT get upset enough about it to break something!! I watch guys take liberty with the rules (playing golf), and I either say something or if they're habitual about it I just let them think their game is better than it is. If they were to play me in a tourney and tried to pull that stuff, I'd point it out, and tell them to add strokes, take a proper drop, or whatever....you want mulligans and footwedges to feel better about your game in practice; FINE, but I won't let someone cheat the whole field in a tourney - cheating themselves I don't mind. Again, don't break things over it, and if you start to feel the sting from his cheating when gambling...stop.
 
Just Quit....

mycustomcues said:
ok...Im just curious!?


If you are playing a Dear friend and he has done obvious cheating on a regular basis when you're playing him a race and there is something at stake, how far would you go?

I mean for me and him, its not about the money because we both can afford the stakes. But for me, its the principle and respect of the game that matter! I've given him multiple advice before because of our friendship but it gotten to the point where I just could'nt tolerate it anymore! It cost me a brand new custom shaft on eone of my nice cue and luckily I was able to control my self with the butt of my cue!

Does this ever happen to any of you? I mean how far would you go? Did I go too far by breaking one of my shaft on the table in front of him out of my anger!

I totally lost my control and usually pretty good at controlling it! Do I need to go to anger management? (lol/:rolleyes:/:grin:)



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I'ld go over to my case.... break my cue down and say.. 'you can get the time' and leave.

I would never break a shaft! I have however broken tennis rackets in my youth (I learned from that) :eek:

It's funny how adults can act just like children..... when I used to catch my daughter trying to cheat at a game with me, I would just quit on the spot and tell her that I play GAMES for fun, and playing with a CHEATER is
NOT FUN! Pool is after all supposed to be a source of enjoyment.

JMNSHO

td
 
A lot of times when someone cheats playing me I just consider it a compliment and try that much harder to beat them. If the game is close enough that I will lose because they cheated on one shot then I just should have played better.
 
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md5key said:
A lot of times when someone cheats playing me I just consider it a compliment and try that much harder to beat them. If the game is close enough that I will lose because they cheated on one shot then I just should have played better.
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complicated! He would'nt play me even! I give him a huge spot 4 times on a race to

Race Stakes
160/200 Beer for life
150/200 2nd Beer for life
140/200 3rd Beer for life
130/200 4 beer for life
Resulting him buying me 4 beers everytime I see him!:grin:
100/200 2x4 case
many 10/30 for $30 or $50

I won all this and lost one race of 75/200 for $300 which I did'nt mind coz I probably consumed more than $300 worth of beer already! You see its far more frustrating when you're giving huge spot and still end cheated!

on the other hand, even when I go cheap (which resulted the broken shaft) for $10 on race to 7/4 he still cheats! Again, I did'nt mind about the money and did'nt want to rob him either!


To be honest, I dont see a lot of pool player would give this kind of spot to an average player! He shoots decent! in fact, there are lots of times that I've beaten him in a wire to wire fashion! I just dont see the reason of him cheating!


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Are you kidding me? Ditch the guy! This is a no-brainer. Why on Earth you need the advice of strangers regarding a friend who is obviously an obnoxious little sh*t is beyond me. Stay friends with him off the pool table, and refuse to play him ever again. It's just that simple.
 
I've decided

already not to play him anymore! I just wanted to get an opinion to see if I got way out of line!


You know, I value friendship more than anything and I did'nt want to go way over board!


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Mac, sorry to hear about the falling out. If you want someone to play with, you know I'm not the cheating kind. See you tomorrow?
 
mycustomcues said:
already not to play him anymore! I just wanted to get an opinion to see if I got way out of line!


You know, I value friendship more than anything and I did'nt want to go way over board!


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I understand that you are giving him "huge spots", but is it possible that he thinks that you are cheating him because that spots are not big enough?

I mean your win percentage is pretty high and he could feel that he is only trying to even things out. I am not saying that what he is doing is right, just asking if it is a possibility.

I suggest adjusting the spot to where he can win 30-40% of the time and see if that makes a difference in his cheating ways.

You referred to him as a Dear friend and it seems to me that you would like to continue that friendship on and off the table.

Good luck to you, whatever you decide.

Steve
 
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1) He is not a 'Dear' friend, he perceives the friendship differently than you do, that makes your perceptions off base, and somewhat of a sucker, emotionally.

2) You, obviously, have higher principles, so why do you value his friendship so much? There is a difference between a real friend and a friendly adversary!

3) Yes, you need anger management. Mistreating foreign objects because of anger is no excuse. I've played 47 years, and have never broken a cue, let alone a shaft. The first step is to understand your anger and the cause and effects from it. You can never 'force' someone to do things your way without violence of some sort. It is better to educate them to a new understanding, and some people don't want to hear it. Having a temper tantrum does not help, it only shows your immaturity, and your lack of a better way to make your point.
 
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3) Yes, you need anger management. Mistreating foreign objects because of anger is no excuse. I've played 47 years, and have never broken a cue, let alone a shaft. The first step is to understand your anger and the cause and effects from it. You can never 'force' someone to do things your way without violence of some sort. It is better to educate them to a new understanding, and some people don't want to hear it. Having a temper tantrum does not help, it only shows your immaturity, and your lack of a better way to make your point.[/QUOTE]



We've known each other for a while and I'd tell you, the cheating that I tolerated on his part is not easy! He just dont listen after numerous times of advicing him not to do it he still do it! I find it disrespectful not just to me but to the game as well! Im actually surprise that it took so long for me to lose it!

Anyway, Its just another day for me!


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