How good are Talisman tips?

[Flex]

Just wondering if others on here use Talisman tips, as I do. I've used LePros, Triangles, Elk Masters, Mooris: S-M-Q, Talisman Pro Hard and Waterbuffalo Hard tips, phenolic tips for jumping and breaking.

For the last several months I've been using Talisman tips exclusively (exception for on my jump cue) and have found that once I've shaped the tip (hard tip) and chalked it well that I no longer have to shape it and chalking alone is all that is necessary. BTW, I chalk before every shot.

How about you? Ever tried Talisman?

Flex

 

[obrien714]

Yep they are good.

I am a moori man and use them all the time. I bought a talisman and used it for a while and it played great, They are great and require little maintenance after they are shaped. I found and of the top layered tips are the same in that matter.

Only complain is that i heard that talisman are a saudi backed company. Heard that from berringer cues. They dumped all they had after the 911 and the iraq war. They put a big push against them. They went so far as to sell mooris at the time for 6 - 7 bucks just to get the message out. I dont know if i can find joe' from berringers article on the subject. If i can ill post it.

 

[duke@neo.rr.com]

hi.

Just wondering if others on here use Talisman tips, as I do. I've used LePros, Triangles, Elk Masters, Mooris: S-M-Q, Talisman Pro Hard and Waterbuffalo Hard tips, phenolic tips for jumping and breaking.

For the last several months I've been using Talisman tips exclusively (exception for on my jump cue) and have found that once I've shaped the tip (hard tip) and chalked it well that I no longer have to shape it and chalking alone is all that is necessary. BTW, I chalk before every shot.

How about you? Ever tried Talisman?

Flex

talisman are very good tips. my only problem with layered tips, is they tend to separate after time. I'm going to start using them again real soon. they play way better than the water buffalo I've been using.

 

[Flex]

I am a moori man and use them all the time. I bought a talisman and used it for a while and it played great, They are great and require little maintenance after they are shaped. I found and of the top layered tips are the same in that matter.

Only complain is that i heard that talisman are a saudi backed company. Heard that from berringer cues. They dumped all they had after the 911 and the iraq war. They put a big push against them. They went so far as to sell mooris at the time for 6 - 7 bucks just to get the message out. I dont know if i can find joe' from berringers article on the subject. If i can ill post it.

I just visited the Talisman website

http://talismanbilliards.com/AboutUS.asp

and didn't see anything there that indicated anything to do with Saudis. Why don't you shoot Tony Jones, the owner of Talisman, an email to ask him directly? His email address is:

tony@talismanbilliards.com

If you find that article you mentioned, I'd be interested in reading it.

Thanks so much,

Flex

 

[Flex]

talisman are very good tips. my only problem with layered tips, is they tend to separate after time. I'm going to start using them again real soon. they play way better than the water buffalo I've been using.

The only problem with separating has come from not treating the tips according to Talisman's directions. For one thing, they should be shaped in a lathe, and they explicitly say not to use the Ultimate Tip Tool to burnish the sides, as delamination can occur. Same thing with the Tip Pik tool, when I used it I managed to get chalk down into the tip and with time it delaminated.

Ever since I've chalked them according to the instructions and so on I've had no problems whatsoever, and do those tips put the spin on, or what??

Flex

 

[Flex]

There's another thing: they will REIMBURSE you up to $10 for installing their tip if you are unhappy with it...

Check this out, from their website:

REMEMBER
All purchases are covered by our 100% satisfaction "BETTER THAN MONEY BACK" guarantee. If you do not feel that Talisman tips are the tips you are looking for you can return them for a prompt and courteous FULL refund. I will also go further with this guarantee, by offering an additional $10 in cash to cover any installation costs you may have incurred. I am so sure that you will be happy with your purchase that I am willing to even offer to pay for installation of the tip if you are not satisfied.

http://www.talismanbilliards.com/Cuetips.asp

Best,

Flex

 

[deep]

I dont use Talismans but my dad does. After it was installed it mushroom quite a bit for the first couple of months, but now its worn a bit thinner it doesn't really do it any more now. He seems pretty happy with it overall, he certainly seems to be able to juice the cueball more now.

 

[vader93490]

How about you? Ever tried Talisman?

Flex

I've used them and they seemed ok at first until the centers popped out on me constantly. I'm planning on trying Tsunami tips next. Hopefully I won't have the same problem.

The problem I experienced with the Talisman tip has also been observed by others as well. The thread name was "Feedback on Tsunami tips" if you care to read up on it.

 

[Snapshot9]

feedback ...

I have had a few guys tell me that they like them, but they had not
had them very long. I use Hercules layered tip, and like them real
well. I did have one that separated on me half in 2, I just super glued
it back on, and it played fine.

Haven't had a problem other than that in 6 years.

 

[kokopuffs]

A Saudi-backed Company!?!?!

My understanding is that Talisman tips are manufactured in southeast Asia, namely Thailand which is a Buddhist country. And I do know that it's Indonesia that serves the principle Moslem country in that region of the globe.

None of the Talisman Pro tips (4 or 5) that I've installed have ever delaminated although I burnish them slightly with the Ultimate Tip Tool.

 

[Ktown D]

If you do some research a lot of the clothes you are wearing were probably made in Pakistan or Thailand but that doesn't mean you worship Buddha or support AlQueda. Back to the subject, The talisman tips are ok but imo the tiger everest tips are a better choice. I have yet to have one come apart and after the initial breakin and reshape they hold their shape very well.

 

[sliprock]

Only complain is that i heard that talisman are a saudi backed company. Heard that from berringer cues. They dumped all they had after the 911 and the iraq war. They put a big push against them. They went so far as to sell mooris at the time for 6 - 7 bucks just to get the message out. I dont know if i can find joe' from berringers article on the subject. If i can ill post it.

The dispute between Barringer and Talisman had to do with Barringer selling the tips on ebay way below retail. Talisman offers some great prices if you buy in large quantitys. I'm not sure of the prices, but you can get the tips for well under $5.00 ea. if you buy something like 1000 tips. Barringer was buying the tips real cheap and then putting them on ebay for less than what you or I could get them for on Tony's website. Barringer was basically in competition with the very company that produced the product. Talisman cut him off and he got angry and went on a rant about how dirty the Talisman company was. I don't blame Tony, There's not a company in the world that would produce a product, then let a distributor undersell them. I've dealt with Talisman several times, and they've always been on the square.

 

[cubswin]

I like the tailsman medium over the tiger everest. The everest is a little softer in it's hit than the tailsman medium. Have used both tips with no negatives in how the tip shapes, keeps shape, and plays other than I prefer the harder tailsman.

 

[obrien714]

just got an email from joe barringer

and to quote him, I dont remember but they are from overseas . keep your money in the country. Maybe the above poster was right about the ebay selling and dispute between joe and talisman, sorry for the bad info. Didnt want to start an bad rumors and it seems i did, TAking the foot from my mouth.

pat

 

[Raodwarior]

All I can say is I install Talisman about 2 to 1 over any other tip. Have had some minor delam in a couple but we were well taken care of and so was the customer.

 

[Joe Pickens]

I've used Talisman tips for about 3 years and they have always played great and never needed any type of reshaping done to them.

 

[JimS]

I've use Talisman for 5 years now and never had even one problem. I very seldom even have to reshape. Great tips.

 

[rhncue]

All I can say is I install Talisman about 2 to 1 over any other tip. Have had some minor delam in a couple but we were well taken care of and so was the customer.

I have now installed over 1600 Talisman tips, mostly hard. Early on I had problems with the med. delaminating so I just never used them. Lately I've had a number of the hard delaminate so I talked with Tony and he found the problem in the drying room. He assures me that all is well now. As far as mushrooming, out of the 1600 that I have installed I have never had a single one mushroom. They are truly a maintenance free tip. Once installed you never touch them again except with chalk. I have a Morri on my playing cue at present but will be going back to Talisman shortly. While Morri, being a great tip, I like the Talisman better, less miscues, does not loose it's shape and absolutely no mushroom. The man who said his fathers Talisman kept mushrooming may have got them on e-bay where you have no idea what you are getting. I had a customer come into the shop during the winter wanting for me to put on a Talisman tip that he had bought on e-bay. What he handed me was a LePro tip. When I told him what it was he was quite shocked and said that him and two of his friends went together and bought 40 of them on e-bay for 160.00. It pays to know who you are buying from.
Also, I noticed that Atlas claims they are the only autherized dist. of Morri's in the country. This may be true but I know of a number of dist. who have been selling Morri's for a number of years. Where I get mine, although the price that he charges me just went up a 1.00 a tip, is still 25% cheaper than Atlas.
Atlas is a very large manufactoring company with plenty of capital behind them. They have gotten to the point where if they see cue builders interested in a product they step in and make a deal with the manufacturers of that product and agree to buy a large number if given an exclusive. They, of coarse then jack the price up on the product. There is nothing that Atlas sells that I couldn't get for at least 25% less until Atlas stepped in. I used to be able to buy Predator Blanks as cheaply as 82.00 each but now I have to go thru Atlas and pay as much as 150.00 each and might have to wait six months to get them.
I buy as little from Atlas as I possibly can. While they may be alright for do-it-yourselfers or someone making one or two cues a year and only needing limited supplies they really suck for someone who spends many thousands a year on supplies.
Dick

 

[AuntyDan]

I have now installed over 1600 Talisman tips, mostly hard. Early on I had problems with the med. delaminating so I just never used them. Lately I've had a number of the hard delaminate so I talked with Tony and he found the problem in the drying room. He assures me that all is well now. As far as mushrooming, out of the 1600 that I have installed I have never had a single one mushroom.

Interesting. I must have been out of luck, both of the Talisman Pro Hards I had installed last year delaminated within a few months, although other than that they were great. I have now switched to Kamui hard tips and really like them. They have fewer layers so each layer is thicker and more robust which seems to help. They take shaping really well.

 

[cubswin]

I have now installed over 1600 Talisman tips, mostly hard. Early on I had problems with the med. delaminating so I just never used them. Lately I've had a number of the hard delaminate so I talked with Tony and he found the problem in the drying room. He assures me that all is well now. As far as mushrooming, out of the 1600 that I have installed I have never had a single one mushroom. They are truly a maintenance free tip. Once installed you never touch them again except with chalk. I have a Morri on my playing cue at present but will be going back to Talisman shortly. While Morri, being a great tip, I like the Talisman better, less miscues, does not loose it's shape and absolutely no mushroom. The man who said his fathers Talisman kept mushrooming may have got them on e-bay where you have no idea what you are getting. I had a customer come into the shop during the winter wanting for me to put on a Talisman tip that he had bought on e-bay. What he handed me was a LePro tip. When I told him what it was he was quite shocked and said that him and two of his friends went together and bought 40 of them on e-bay for 160.00. It pays to know who you are buying from.
Also, I noticed that Atlas claims they are the only autherized dist. of Morri's in the country. This may be true but I know of a number of dist. who have been selling Morri's for a number of years. Where I get mine, although the price that he charges me just went up a 1.00 a tip, is still 25% cheaper than Atlas.
Atlas is a very large manufactoring company with plenty of capital behind them. They have gotten to the point where if they see cue builders interested in a product they step in and make a deal with the manufacturers of that product and agree to buy a large number if given an exclusive. They, of coarse then jack the price up on the product. There is nothing that Atlas sells that I couldn't get for at least 25% less until Atlas stepped in. I used to be able to buy Predator Blanks as cheaply as 82.00 each but now I have to go thru Atlas and pay as much as 150.00 each and might have to wait six months to get them.
I buy as little from Atlas as I possibly can. While they may be alright for do-it-yourselfers or someone making one or two cues a year and only needing limited supplies they really suck for someone who spends many thousands a year on supplies.
Dick

I'm using a tailsman med right now, and it mushroomed a bit. Its still pretty high though, and I've been breaking with it. Not a big deal, just trim off the mushroom and go on about life. I used a medium all last year without any problems, really liked it. Haven't had any layers delam though I'm only on my second medium