How many have we lost
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SJDinPHX said:
Backwards thinking. Its simply backwards thinking in some parts of the country, where things are not as progressive. Smoking is just so obviously backwards no matter how popular it maybe in certain parts of the country (just like racism was). And if your thinking the analogy doesn't add up because of the severity of racism in the United States, smoking has killed way more people than racism ever has. While it maybe true that smoking bans hurt buisnesses such as pool halls, I don't see how should matter......just like desegregation made people upset, it angered people who wanted to keep things the way they were (just like the smoking bans today), but like segregation like smoking or ANY backwards thinking in this country when it is widespread and laws change it, people are going to be upset and try to use excuses like its bad for buisness or whatever. I don't see the difference, the only reason it seems like a shocking analogy is because that time in America when black people were treated less than human is NOW considered a very dark period in history. Like internment camps, or putting leaches on people to cure them. Smoking in public will be thought of as just as backwards in 50 to 60 years. And trying to use the argument that it hurts buisness is both true and completely pointless in regards to what is right.
Analogy
I read the analogy, but still don't think I understand the thought process. Maybe, I'm not suppose to understand certain things in life.---Smitty
I read the analogy, but still don't think I understand the thought process. Maybe, I'm not suppose to understand certain things in life.---Smitty
I've witnessed the ebbs and flows in the poolroom business over the years. It definitely does seem to have it's cycles. We just had a pretty good up cycle for nearly 20 years, so now we may suffer through a down cycle which could last 5-10 years.
Pool and poolrooms aren't going away. It's too good a game to die and it won't. Pool will be around when other niche sports are long gone. You will continue to see pool in advertisements and on television commercials. It is just an accepted part of the American culture. If anything it is growing at a rapid rate worldwide, enjoying new found success in Asia and parts of Europe.
Pool remains a major international sport. What is happening here is more a reflection of a fading economy. We know who (W) to thank for that. Perhaps next year when he is gone, we will begin to rebuild this once great nation, that has suffered for eight long years under some seriously misguided leadership. JMHO as always.
Pool and poolrooms aren't going away. It's too good a game to die and it won't. Pool will be around when other niche sports are long gone. You will continue to see pool in advertisements and on television commercials. It is just an accepted part of the American culture. If anything it is growing at a rapid rate worldwide, enjoying new found success in Asia and parts of Europe.
Pool remains a major international sport. What is happening here is more a reflection of a fading economy. We know who (W) to thank for that. Perhaps next year when he is gone, we will begin to rebuild this once great nation, that has suffered for eight long years under some seriously misguided leadership. JMHO as always.
Harold Smith said:
Its not that your not supposed to, its just that you don't.
jay helfert said:
well since you seem to have the clearest mind of the centairions in the pool world, i'll go with you on this one,
the smart $$$$ says that 7'box rooms will be the next cycle of pool. more tables and bodys/sqft= more $$$ in the damper everynight. Also since everyone has ADD these days(my self included) newbies will think they are better than they are when they start running out after a few months, thus it will hold their interest alot more than tough 9' tables. easier is better.
MikeJanis said:I just figured it out. We are not losing any pool rooms.....
Jay is just storing them in a locker for safe keeping
Mj
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jay helfert said:
Jay you make an excellent point about the cyclic nature of pool. I do disagree about the effect of the economy however.
It isn't the economy, it isn't the smoking bans, it is lack of interest in pool. Interest in pool waxes and wanes, it thrived during the depression remember, it retreated in the period after WWII and before "The Hustler" when smoking was not banned. I don't know that I'm as optimistic as Jay that it will comeback in the future, but I'm not experienced in the industry as he is either, so maybe he's right. I do know, however, it isn't smoking bans or the economy, it is lack of interest by the general public.
I know of one room is the Valley of the Sun that the Smoking Ban has killed their business by 40%.
The other question is how many Pool Player have died of first hand, and second hand smoke?
The other question is how many Pool Player have died of first hand, and second hand smoke?
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CocoboloCowboy said:
This raises another question for me. It's a little off topic but it needs to be asked.
Pool / = MS
Just out of curiosity. I know of several people in the pool community that have come down with a form of MS.
3 of them were close to me
1. Joe Waugaman, he's my Uncle and has worked with me at many, many tournaments over the years.
2. Joe Kerr - former and Legendary TD
3. Bruce Roth former owner of Southern Billiards in Columbus, OH
Has anybody else seen this trend or is it just coincidence...
Mj
MikeJanis said:
I think it coincidence (unless it is linked to smoking
). I know 3 people with MS, including my sister, none are associated with pool. That wipes out your stats. Seriously, I think most people with MS prefer to keep it to themselves only making close friends and relatives aware of it. The people you know with MS are pool people because that is the crowd you run in; you most assuredly know other people with MS, but they wouldn't have seen any reason to share that with you.
Currently, the smoking ban is only in the city...many vendors are allowing teams to shoot out of bars 2-5 miles out of town. I have live in town and sometimes have 30 minutes to my pool league location. But if this helps to keep the players until a state ban is imposed, it is fine with me.
mr8ball
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Wow Thanks for all the post on this. I just saw on TV last night that they are trying to pass the law here in Va. I admit i hate the smoke also but i go to quite a few tournaments and have herd stories of pool rooms closing and this was one of the reasons. I just hope things turn around soon or we will all be in trouble. Thanks again to all, Doug
