I only suppose "microdot" is the correct term..I believe I've heard mark wilson reference it
even then I'm not sure that's accurate..1mm tip contact?
even then I'm not sure that's accurate..1mm tip contact?
how many microdots are on the shootable part of the cb?
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Mark states that the vertical axis of a cue ball is 57MM. So, assuming a 13MM cue tip, let the math folks figure out the possibilities. Mark also talks about "pro grade" cue tip contact points - where the cue ball is contacted by the cue tip vs. amateur grade cue ball contact points.
Buddy Hall had a training system referred to, I believe, as the clock face system.
The idea behind Mark's teaching, from what I get out of his book, was to be able to deliver the cue tip at pro grade contact points when necessary, but also to be able to deliver the cue tip to any part of the cue ball with a stroke that sent the cue ball on the intended path AND also resulted in the cue ball reacting as intended after object ball contact to bring the cue ball to the next desired landing point.
Buddy Hall had a training system referred to, I believe, as the clock face system.
The idea behind Mark's teaching, from what I get out of his book, was to be able to deliver the cue tip at pro grade contact points when necessary, but also to be able to deliver the cue tip to any part of the cue ball with a stroke that sent the cue ball on the intended path AND also resulted in the cue ball reacting as intended after object ball contact to bring the cue ball to the next desired landing point.
Tip to Cue Ball is 3mm. Somebody do the math....please.
randyg
randyg
WTF?? I think you've been ingesting some 'microdot'.
I've seen lots of things on microdot
Dr. Dave did a study on this I believe. It depends on your tip hardness. Soft tips will compress more then a hard tip. But on average 3 mm, or 1/8 of an inch.
I suppose the "shootable part of the CB" is the area within the miscue limit - 1/2 the CB's radius on each side of center (from the shooter's perspective)?
I don't think the correct measure is how many chalk dots (of whatever size) you can put side by side in there - I think it's how small of a tip movement makes a significant difference in CB action.
pj
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I don't think the correct measure is how many chalk dots (of whatever size) you can put side by side in there - I think it's how small of a tip movement makes a significant difference in CB action.
pj
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I think the concept is more or less useless. Maybe it gets the player thinking about exactly how far off center they are hitting. If you have to shoot straight up the table and come back at an angle to hit the ball on the side you want, it's not going to be 3 microdots to get the angle you want. It might be 3.789, though.
Mark Wilson referrers to a micro dot as being a target on the cue ball you're trying to hit with the cue tip.
A Pro will consistently come within .5mm or better of hitting that target.
When he talks about "Pro Grade" he's normally talking about areas of the CB that most players never explore for fear of miscue.
When I took a lesson from Mark he asked me to show him my maximum High. He said that's pretty good but this is where you need to be for Pro Grade tip placement. We did the same thing with a draw stroke. Of course he's right but even now it looks like too much. What's funny is applying English isn't as scary.
In an interview with Semih Saygıner the question was something like "How do you do it"? He simply said "I can hit the CB in places nobody else can."
Mike Page has a good video discussing this. Every player has some error in where they contact the cue ball. Beginners have large errors and so have to stay nearer the center of the cue ball. Accurate players can aim for farther off-center because their small errors will not put them into miscue territory.
I would say that nearly every student I've had is surprised by how far off-center it is possible to hit and not miscue. If they have chalked well, of course.
Here's Mike's video:
I recommend Mike's info, but if you don't have time to watch the video, here's an old post of mine about the same thing.
pj
chgo
I know you study this stuff but the 3mm chalk patch isn't the microdot target. The microdot target has to be (if you agree with M Wilson) much smaller) Remember he's proclaiming a Pro is consistently within .5 mm of their target.
I took your image and circled the area of a Pro Level Target area. Assuming your drawing accruately describes the Ultimate Limit to strike the CB, this area circled is where the Pros are comfortable.
Realizing I'm just an Armature, I must be wrong when I think I'm striking the ball outside of your circle.
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I didn't mean to suggest it is - in fact I said so in an earlier post. Just humoring Randy's question.
If you think you're striking the CB more than a tiny amount past halfway from center to edge, then I believe you are mistaken.
An easy way to test:
- use a striped ball as your CB with the stripe vertical and aligned with your shot (it's just a little wider than half the CB's diameter)
- try to hit on the "equator" right at the edge of the stripe
- check your chalk mark afterward to see where you actually hit
P.S. A possible optical illusion - when hitting at the miscue limit you're hitting right on the inside edge of your tip with almost all of the tip outside the limit, so it can easily look like you're hitting farther out than you are.
pj
chgo
You may be right. I understand the illusion argument.
I also know I'm way out on the edges of disaster a few times per game.
I don't own any stinkin stripes. Well that's a lie. I now own a set of PBA balls.
Pool balls give me headaches, I will say. Pool gives me headaches, for crying out loud.
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If you have a ball with any markings on it, maybe you can orient it with a mark right at halfway from center to edge of the ball (on the equator, estimated by eye) and compare your chalk mark with that.
pj
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I think you can go a little further...proibably center to edge of circle (NOT CTE!!!!) aiming)