How many players in Nationals for NAPA
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Apparently not enough, since they extended the deadline another week.
Here's the list, but it's not broken down by skill-level: http://www.napaleagues.com/page.php?page=registered_players
Here's the list, but it's not broken down by skill-level: http://www.napaleagues.com/page.php?page=registered_players
Thanks that is exactly what I was looking for!
sad to say i will not be there this year. i have apa ltc that weekend.
btw ... i had a blast at the last 2 napa nationals.
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I'm *still* undecided. I'm only going for 10-ball, and there's only a 113 players - only 33 in my bracket. I'm sure it'll be an okay time, and I saw from the event room layout diagram there'll be some vendors (not that I need any more gadgets, but it's fun to browse). I have a ride to and from, but no place to sleep, and I'm trying to decide if I wanna spend the $300 on the hotel. :/
StlJohnny-
The determining factor is what are the payouts?
I saw somewhere that they figured the 8-ball payouts on 1250 entrants. That is NEVER going to happen. (The other disciplines were also very high).
The Ohio event only had enough money to pay only 1st place.
They are not adding any money that I am aware of.
The fees are $40 green and $5 registration. The problem with this method is that there is no money to pay for anything or to pay to the winners.
Ask your league operator what happens if they don't get a bunch of players.(What happens if the get 350 in the 8-ball, is the prize fund now only $14,000?)
Mark Griffin
The determining factor is what are the payouts?
I saw somewhere that they figured the 8-ball payouts on 1250 entrants. That is NEVER going to happen. (The other disciplines were also very high).
The Ohio event only had enough money to pay only 1st place.
They are not adding any money that I am aware of.
The fees are $40 green and $5 registration. The problem with this method is that there is no money to pay for anything or to pay to the winners.
Ask your league operator what happens if they don't get a bunch of players.(What happens if the get 350 in the 8-ball, is the prize fund now only $14,000?)
Mark Griffin
I am curious about the payouts.... was it just me or did they extend the registration deadline?
Mark -
It appears that the greens fees are the only thing funding the prize money. With 1250 players, that's $50,000. In 10-ball they said $10K - based on 250 players; which works with the math (250x40 = 10,000).
The payout is not the only factor - but it certainly is something to consider. I just don't wanna spend a few hundred bucks on travel for tournament where I have to get 2nd place to break even. I don't expect to get to the finals (of course it would awesome though). Mostly I'm just disappointed that out of the 700+ people who are qualified to play in the 10-ball nationals, only 100 are actually going. As it stands now, there's 114 players, and about $4,500 in the total prize fund for 10-ball. But, if each class has to fund its own bracket's money, that means that the 34 of us will be competing for a piece of $1,360. Which is still decent money for such a small field, (and not having to drop quarters for games helps ease the entry fee)
As this is my first NAPA nationals, I guess I was hoping it'd be more like the APA nationals, with lots and lots of players and good money. (Although, your podcasts have me considering buying a BCA membership and hitting those championships one year - maybe next year?)
I have the registration link up in one window and the hotel reservation in another - I'm 95% sure I'm going, pending a return phone call from another friend who's also going.
They did extend them out a week. My LO said they did it because they were getting a lot of calls from APA players around the country who had LTC playoffs that weekend and wouldn't know if they'd be able to attend NAPA nationals until after that weekend.
He also said something about more people signing up when they arrive, which doesn't make sense to me, since I'd think they'd have the bracket drawn long before the first day of the event. But, he could be mistaken (this league and LO is entirely new to NAPA as of 9 months ago, so first time for all of this nationals talk).
Do you have updated numbers for 9-ball B group?
pooldawg64
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I just got back from Atlanta playing in the NAPA 8ball, was like 150 give or take in B bracket equal number in A bracket and not sure about C, D or E brackets. I finished 13-16 and got a check for 125.00. Even though I'm only a 54 I managed to beat some decent higher level players. A 51 from Cincinnati put me out, this guy played more consistent than any of the other players I played. I should have beat him, hill hill, thin cut to side and missed! But I had fun, met some AZers....
Sorry I missed this. Here's the updated info, as of 5 minutes ago:
There are 266 players in 9-ball total with
44 in the C class
108 players in the B class.
69 players in the A class
28 in the masters class
For 10-ball there are 126 players total with
5 in the D/E class
22 in the C class
38 in the B class
38 in the A class
24 in the Masters class
Any idea of the payouts or how many were in the 8-ball divisions?
I remember they were figuring the payouts with 1250 in the 8-ball and I think 625 in the 9-ball.
It was advertised as $125,000 in payouts - but I think that was with full fields. I am guessing they got about 1/2 way there.
So were the total payouts in the $50-$60,000 range?
Mark Griffin
I remember they were figuring the payouts with 1250 in the 8-ball and I think 625 in the 9-ball.
It was advertised as $125,000 in payouts - but I think that was with full fields. I am guessing they got about 1/2 way there.
So were the total payouts in the $50-$60,000 range?
Mark Griffin
Mark,
I was just down there for the 8-ball event. I think just under 500 entries for all categories...so maybe $20k in payouts but it was only $40 for green fees and $5 reg. The green fees was the money for the payout.
1st place in each of the 4 divisions only paid $1000 and $800 for 2nd. I was in the mater/grandmaster division and finished 9th..no cash. Only paid the top 8. The middle divisions (A & B) had quite a few more entries and paid deeper in the field.
You don't have to worry about them competing with your event anytime soon. I have no plans of going back. After food, travel and hotel you have to win the 3 days event just to break even.
It was well ran though. Matches had scheduled start times and they stuck to it. 80 tables were there for the event and all that I played on were very similar.
I was just down there for the 8-ball event. I think just under 500 entries for all categories...so maybe $20k in payouts but it was only $40 for green fees and $5 reg. The green fees was the money for the payout.
1st place in each of the 4 divisions only paid $1000 and $800 for 2nd. I was in the mater/grandmaster division and finished 9th..no cash. Only paid the top 8. The middle divisions (A & B) had quite a few more entries and paid deeper in the field.
You don't have to worry about them competing with your event anytime soon. I have no plans of going back. After food, travel and hotel you have to win the 3 days event just to break even.
It was well ran though. Matches had scheduled start times and they stuck to it. 80 tables were there for the event and all that I played on were very similar.
NAPA Nationals Review
Just played in three events down there during the first six days. Just couldn't get the time to enter the last two events despite being qualified. It was NAPA. Very few handicap problems because of the nature of the system which is what appeals to most about NAPA. There were only one or two players that did the minimum 10 match to qualify thing and came in hot. There are always a few complainers around (after they lose) that complain about handicaps but they were good for 99% plus, of the players in the events.
The real problems that some ran into and I agreed on at least one of the issues which I'll list first, are below...
- Payouts. Never been in a major tournament or sport where first place didn't double up second place, and then the tier structuring started there. First place in nearly every single bracket and format, from C/D/E up thru GM, only made $50 more than second place. This was explained by the man in charge of setting payouts (Dean) as a move to keep payouts low so that taxes wouldn't have to be paid on winnings. So, let's see...you make half as much as you should have if you win, to save a few hundred on taxes while still making half again as much given a proper first place payout? It was bad, very bad. They could have simply taken $5-10 per payout and put it into first place money and had a proper 1st-2nd gap. It's why many of the top NAPA players don't attend and that's bad business.
- Many were complaining about the tables. I never did find out from Tony why Diamond pulled out, but the tables were fine. Played on nearly every table at one point or another and only found one that was rolling bad, which they fixed overnight. The tables were fine.
- They had advertised the captain's tournament, at least by word of mouth from my LO, as being an 'open tournament', yet they broke it up into classes, which many complained about. I don't think this was all that big of a deal, although they should address it next year and make a decision and stick with it, just to avoid the complaints later. Again with the business sense.
- Lastly, the venue was awful. The Hilton was great. Nice place, well taken care of and whatnot, but this tournament location needs to be a 'draw' for players. APA and BCA have Vegas and it's because they're smart enough to understand that it draws players. NAPA needs to figure it out and follow suit. I discussed it with one of the committee members and suggested Atlantic City. They need to find someplace like that, or similar to it, and call it home to the Nationals EVERY year and quit moving it around to bad locales. Tunica was bad because of distances between venues and nowhere to eat but on site unless you wanted to travel 20 miles to get fast food. Atlanta was bad because of hellish midtown traffic and having to walk 3 city blocks to get mall food unless you wanted to pay $20-30 a plate in the Hilton or eat out of a cooler for a week (Hilton doesn't supply fridges in the rooms unless you want to pay more for it). It was $12 a day, at a discount, to park in midtown Atlanta. At nearly $100 a night for a hotel room without a microwave and fridge already, and you can't even park your vehicle there for less than $12 a night. Pool players are on the lower side of income classes as a whole and many found this to be a deal breaker. Places like Vegas and Atlantic City are a little easier on the wallet and just a better fit all around.
Here's to hoping NAPA figures it out. I think things ran much smoother last year when Jeremy and Amy were running the show and I think switching to using just LO's to run things this year was a mistake because most of the bad decisions came down from that. Hopefully they'll figure it out. NAPA has the best handicap system out there in my opinion and based on that system alone, I think anyone that ever gives the league a chance will immediately find it more to their liking than any other system out there, especially those with 'innings' and those littered with sandbagging. NAPA just has to do their part and come up with some better decision making when the Nationals roll around.
Just played in three events down there during the first six days. Just couldn't get the time to enter the last two events despite being qualified. It was NAPA. Very few handicap problems because of the nature of the system which is what appeals to most about NAPA. There were only one or two players that did the minimum 10 match to qualify thing and came in hot. There are always a few complainers around (after they lose) that complain about handicaps but they were good for 99% plus, of the players in the events.
The real problems that some ran into and I agreed on at least one of the issues which I'll list first, are below...
- Payouts. Never been in a major tournament or sport where first place didn't double up second place, and then the tier structuring started there. First place in nearly every single bracket and format, from C/D/E up thru GM, only made $50 more than second place. This was explained by the man in charge of setting payouts (Dean) as a move to keep payouts low so that taxes wouldn't have to be paid on winnings. So, let's see...you make half as much as you should have if you win, to save a few hundred on taxes while still making half again as much given a proper first place payout? It was bad, very bad. They could have simply taken $5-10 per payout and put it into first place money and had a proper 1st-2nd gap. It's why many of the top NAPA players don't attend and that's bad business.
- Many were complaining about the tables. I never did find out from Tony why Diamond pulled out, but the tables were fine. Played on nearly every table at one point or another and only found one that was rolling bad, which they fixed overnight. The tables were fine.
- They had advertised the captain's tournament, at least by word of mouth from my LO, as being an 'open tournament', yet they broke it up into classes, which many complained about. I don't think this was all that big of a deal, although they should address it next year and make a decision and stick with it, just to avoid the complaints later. Again with the business sense.
- Lastly, the venue was awful. The Hilton was great. Nice place, well taken care of and whatnot, but this tournament location needs to be a 'draw' for players. APA and BCA have Vegas and it's because they're smart enough to understand that it draws players. NAPA needs to figure it out and follow suit. I discussed it with one of the committee members and suggested Atlantic City. They need to find someplace like that, or similar to it, and call it home to the Nationals EVERY year and quit moving it around to bad locales. Tunica was bad because of distances between venues and nowhere to eat but on site unless you wanted to travel 20 miles to get fast food. Atlanta was bad because of hellish midtown traffic and having to walk 3 city blocks to get mall food unless you wanted to pay $20-30 a plate in the Hilton or eat out of a cooler for a week (Hilton doesn't supply fridges in the rooms unless you want to pay more for it). It was $12 a day, at a discount, to park in midtown Atlanta. At nearly $100 a night for a hotel room without a microwave and fridge already, and you can't even park your vehicle there for less than $12 a night. Pool players are on the lower side of income classes as a whole and many found this to be a deal breaker. Places like Vegas and Atlantic City are a little easier on the wallet and just a better fit all around.
Here's to hoping NAPA figures it out. I think things ran much smoother last year when Jeremy and Amy were running the show and I think switching to using just LO's to run things this year was a mistake because most of the bad decisions came down from that. Hopefully they'll figure it out. NAPA has the best handicap system out there in my opinion and based on that system alone, I think anyone that ever gives the league a chance will immediately find it more to their liking than any other system out there, especially those with 'innings' and those littered with sandbagging. NAPA just has to do their part and come up with some better decision making when the Nationals roll around.
I can't agree with you more. I'm still here at Nationals and leaving tomorrow but the payouts are insanely low for a National tournament. Right now I'm playing in a 'second chance' tournament with well over 30 players and it will pay out more (if not double) than any of the actual brackets. The minis are almost all $10 to enter which isn't that bad but I feel bad for the people running the boards. People have stolen money from the payouts and they need to establish better guidelines for different things (like what happens to people that enter more than one board at a time).
The people here are very friendly though and it is a great atmosphere (even with the lack of food).
From what I heard Zach Goldschmidt stiffed bad boys Billiards out of a ton of money for diamonds that were used at one if his tournaments recently. And on another note a player at the napa tournament after he had played and cashed apparently complained about how the tournament was run. He said the tournament sucked and be wouldn't be back next year. They banned him for life!!! What kind if organization stiffs companies for tables and bans a player for life for saying the tournament sucked?!