How much warm-up time do you need?

[RRfireblade]

None...if you truely "own your stroke" you will never need to warm up...even if you have laid off for months. This is a basic tenet of what we teach.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Jimbojim...Believe it or not, it's true. How about this example:

You learn to ride a two wheel bike at a young age (usually 5 or 6). Soon after learning how to ride it, you have mastered it, jumping curbs, riding up and down hills, probably even riding with no hands. Skip ahead 50 years. You have not ridden a bike in all that time. Think you'd have any trouble putting your butt on the seat, your foot on the pedal, your hands on the handlebars, and then pedaling away without falling over? Nope. Why?...because it is so deeply ingrained in your long term memory. It works the same way with your stroke...you just have to get to that level of expertise or have mastered the process. Most don't...

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

naji...I agree with everything you said. The only difference is in how long it takes someone to do those things. Aiming is perceptual, and we all perceive differently (therefore you have to "learn" how to perceive the shot correctly from your perspective). I also believe if you have a very repeatable stroke you can "learn" the things you mentioned more quickly. For example, I can learn the speed of the cloth in one or two shots. The same goes for how the cushions play. This is due solely to how much I trust my stroke.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

decent dennis...No, I said they could still ride a bike immediately after not riding one for 50 years (due to ingrained memory). If you quit playing for several years (pick 10 as a number) you would still need to 'rewire' your head and your stroke. How long that takes would depend on your level of expertise when you quit. For a top pro, I would estimate that they could be playing at their previous level in probably no more than a few hours...not weeks or months. Certainly it would vary from person to person. This is jmo.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Even tho you have somewhat backpeddled from your original post, I think your way off on this one, with all due respect. I can understand the 'sales' pitch but I don't even really believe you believe your original post. You can trust your 'stroke' all you want, theres just no possible way you can take a few weeks or months off never hitting a single ball and walk right up to a high level tourny table and be 'in stroke' from the lag on like you never left the table a month ago.

Of course IMHO.

Theres a big difference between not falling off a bike and jumping right back on at precisely the same level of skill and ability.

Furthermore...

I dont think you'll find a single pro level competitor in any physical game or sport anywhere that will say they can go from the car to full high level competition without any prior preparation at all. In fact if what you contend is true, then it would follow that once a person reached a certain level of competency, there would be no need to ever "practice" again.

It simply makes no sense to believe any of that is based in fact nor do I believe you'll find any practical examples, I'm sorry.

Again IMO. But the statement sure did get you alot of 'press'.

 

[8pack]

I have a hard time believing that...

Thats what im saying.

I played Svb a few years ago and still remember what he did when rolled the balls out across the table. He started figuring out how the table played.

 

[ine]

This depends on the table for me. If I know the table I only need a few shots. If I dont know it I prefer upto 15 minutes, but atleast 5-6. I have some standard shots I use too get to know a table to speed things up

 

[softshot]

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[naji]

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RRfireblade, well said.

 

[Scott Lee]

RRfireblade...As far as I'm concerned, I didn't 'backpedal' at all...and I could care less about getting "press". It's not a sales pitch, although you can believe whatever you choose. The bicycle analogy is correct and accurate. I was not talking about today's bike athletes who do flips etc...just the average person being able to ride a bike without falling over, after not doing it for many years. It's an analogy that almost everyone can relate to, and it follows learning certain concepts certain ways to create a subconscious motor function.

Several pros have come on here and talked about how little they have to practice to stay in stroke. They did say they practiced a ton to get where they are, but also noted that once you reach that level, little or no practice is required to maintain it. While some may not find it practical, the concept has validity. Not only do I believe it, but I can back it up with several physical examples. Naturally we are all welcome to our own opinions.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Even tho you have somewhat backpeddled from your original post, I think your way off on this one, with all due respect. I can understand the 'sales' pitch but I don't even really believe you believe your original post. You can trust your 'stroke' all you want, theres just no possible way you can take a few weeks or months off never hitting a single ball and walk right up to a high level tourny table and be 'in stroke' from the lag on like you never left the table a month ago.

Of course IMHO.

Theres a big difference between not falling off a bike and jumping right back on at precisely the same level of skill and ability.

Furthermore...

I dont think you'll find a single pro level competitor in any physical game or sport anywhere that will say they can go from the car to full high level competition without any prior preparation at all. In fact if what you contend is true, then it would follow that once a person reached a certain level of competency, there would be no need to ever "practice" again.

It simply makes no sense to believe any of that is based in fact nor do I believe you'll find any practical examples, I'm sorry.

Again IMO. But the statement sure did get you alot of 'press'.

 

[tbayplayer]

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[naji]

Several pros have come on here and talked about how little they have to practice to stay in stroke. They did say they practiced a ton to get where they are, but also noted that once you reach that level, little or no practice is required to maintain it. While some may not find it practical, the concept has validity. Not only do I believe it, but I can back it up with several physical examples. Naturally we are all welcome to our own opinions.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

We are all welcome to correct opinions, so everyone benefits. Bottom line if you do not warm up before a match, you will go down by two or three games because you missed that stun shot or under estimated table speed, sure after few games down, you might recover, you might not and loose. Why risk it. Again we are talking tables you have not played on for a while, plus i am sure you tell your students humidity effect playing, and only way to find out is to warm up and find out. Warm up is a must, please teach it this way. Thanks.