Have a question. You play a guy on two different times, 9b, first time,two sets, race to 7 for $50. You win 7-3, 7-5. Second time you play, he wants to play race to 5 for $25. You win 5-3 and 5-4. So your in his pocket for $150. Now he wants you to give him the seven ball? I mean you win every time you play him, but its not like you rapein him. I guess my question is since I dont spot alot of people, because Im really not that good, what is the "order" of weight. Seems to me like the seven is a purdy good spot. I told him I dont think that I could win that game. I was thinking more in lines with the call eight and maybe the snaps. Feel free to enlighten me
how much weight?
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I would say JUST the call 8.. If he plays good safes, no snaps. If he doesn't play good safes and you do, you might be able to give up the breaks too.
Russ
Russ
I would also recommend the games-on-the-wire approach. If you're consistently beating him by 2-3 games, you can start off by giving him 1 on 7 (he needs to win 6 before you win 7).
Honestly, I think giving up the breaks really depends on the two players involved. I once played a guy who had a horrible break, flew off the table about 80% of the time. He said he wanted to gamble but wanted all the breaks. I agreed and thought, "Wow, I'm GETTING weight and he doesn't even know it!"
I like games on the wire because it's very easy to gauge. Giving up a ball spot can change your strategy. You can go 20 games in a row where it really didn't make a difference and then have 10 games in a row where the spotted ball gets combo'd in or something. However, if you know you're consistently beating the guy by x games, you can start by giving half that amount and see how it goes.
Honestly, I think giving up the breaks really depends on the two players involved. I once played a guy who had a horrible break, flew off the table about 80% of the time. He said he wanted to gamble but wanted all the breaks. I agreed and thought, "Wow, I'm GETTING weight and he doesn't even know it!"
I like games on the wire because it's very easy to gauge. Giving up a ball spot can change your strategy. You can go 20 games in a row where it really didn't make a difference and then have 10 games in a row where the spotted ball gets combo'd in or something. However, if you know you're consistently beating the guy by x games, you can start by giving half that amount and see how it goes.
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I would never give anyone, even a beginner the Breaks.
There is alot more to your scenario than just the scores of those sets. In order to determine if you can spot someone you have to be able to fully gauge their overall ability. Meaning you need to define their strengths, weaknesses, and tendencies. Once you gather that info then you can decide if your ability outweighs his. If you believe that your abilities exceed his than you have to determine by how much. that is where deciding a spot comes into play.
If you aren't much better than him, than I would be hesitant to give any spot at all. If you are that much better, start off small. Giving him the call last two or the call 8. If you beat him easily with those spots then you can consider a free spot ball. Remember Free spot balls are bigger on a bar table than on a big table.
Don't adjust because he wants to, adjust because you feel that you can still win after gathering the correct info.
Hope this helps
There is alot more to your scenario than just the scores of those sets. In order to determine if you can spot someone you have to be able to fully gauge their overall ability. Meaning you need to define their strengths, weaknesses, and tendencies. Once you gather that info then you can decide if your ability outweighs his. If you believe that your abilities exceed his than you have to determine by how much. that is where deciding a spot comes into play.
If you aren't much better than him, than I would be hesitant to give any spot at all. If you are that much better, start off small. Giving him the call last two or the call 8. If you beat him easily with those spots then you can consider a free spot ball. Remember Free spot balls are bigger on a bar table than on a big table.
Don't adjust because he wants to, adjust because you feel that you can still win after gathering the correct info.
Hope this helps
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another approach...
according to your numbers...you could change things up a bit...
tell him you will play him 3 or 4 or 5 ahead for whatever....
he will enjoy still playing with you and moving your coin back one now and then or the beads on the wire back one too...which ever score method you are using....sounds like he is always a bit behind you and he will like taking away a game from you and not feel like he is always trying to catch up his score to your score and take the lead like with the races you have been doing.
this is not dishonesty in any way...it is just another good way to play for cheap sets and just another approach...
thanks again,
Mr. J.
according to your numbers...you could change things up a bit...
tell him you will play him 3 or 4 or 5 ahead for whatever....
he will enjoy still playing with you and moving your coin back one now and then or the beads on the wire back one too...which ever score method you are using....sounds like he is always a bit behind you and he will like taking away a game from you and not feel like he is always trying to catch up his score to your score and take the lead like with the races you have been doing.
this is not dishonesty in any way...it is just another good way to play for cheap sets and just another approach...
thanks again,
Mr. J.
I like Jude's approach. I'd rather give up a game on the wire which is more manageble than have to factor in that extra $ ball every game. Now if I was "the other guy" I'd probably want the 8 so that I'd have two ways to win every game we play.
ok......
i think you should give the guy the 7 out and 3 on the wire going to 7....haha
i think you should give the guy the 7 out and 3 on the wire going to 7....haha
Dead Money said:
Yeah, the local tour in New York City and the NYC BCA league use a games-on-the-wire approach and because of this, everybody gambles this way, too. I mean, if a B player asks to play me, we will immediately look at what the league-game would be and begin negotiating from there. If I feel I can win with the spot, I'll proceed. If I feel the spot tilts the game in his favor, I'll tinker with the length of the race and/or the number of games on the wire. In many ways, you can get pretty granular using this method. Ball spots are often pretty heavy as you move down the line.
lodini said:
LOLOLOLOLOL, well people sometimes are just as interested in the gamble as they are the game. I know when I used to hang out at Chelsea Billiards, we would get the full range of clients. There would be some regulars that were rather wealthy who loved to gamble on pool. The only thing is, if a better player wanted a stab at getting them in a game, they'd have to entice these players with lofty spots.
wieght
well people get a spot to make the game even if your playing somebody and losing everytime and dont ask for a spot you might be a little on the slower side or an ATM machine......pros spot other pros all the time.....if there were no spots in the game the gambling would become less and less because people are not going to keep donating to your charity
well people get a spot to make the game even if your playing somebody and losing everytime and dont ask for a spot you might be a little on the slower side or an ATM machine......pros spot other pros all the time.....if there were no spots in the game the gambling would become less and less because people are not going to keep donating to your charity
Almost all forms of gambling are handicapped if you think about it. JMHOlodini said:Sounds lameKinda takes the whole point out of the "put your money where your mouth is" concept!
I just never realized that gambling was handicapped before
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lodini said:Sounds lame
I just never realized that gambling was handicapped before
Yes, I once walked into Masters out in Queens and one of the regulars started barking at me from across the room.
"HEY JUDE, WHEN ARE WE GONNA GAMBLE???"
"As soon as I get my cue together and you get a table!"
"How much weight are you gonna give me?"
"How about no weight and you come back to me when you get better?"
Simple answer, As in golf handicapping, most people of averagelodini said:
intelligence will not gamble if they know they have no chance to
win. You must level the playing field (or at least make them think
you are) or there will be no wager. If you're just playing "funsies"
WHO CARES ??? I'm Glad I like you for your intelligence rather than
your gambling accumen. Wheres my PM feedback?
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SJDinPHX said:
Actually, it is interesting what Lodini brings up. One WOULD think that gambling was a means to find out who was the better player but it isn't. There ARE moments when this is the case. There are a few players in the area who will ask to gamble with me where I know this is NOT about the money but about finding out who is better. However, the other side of playing for money is strictly about the gamble. There is an immediate concession that one player is better than the other but that doesn't mean they still can't have an exciting match for money.
lodini said:That's awesome! Great story...
I guess I just always saw gambling like in the movies. "I'm better than you." "No, I'm better than you." "Wanna bet?"
Interesting you should bring that up, too! In the book Playing Off The Rail, I understand that Tony Annigoni's real-life games often involved some sort of weight but that wasn't explained in the book AT ALL. At least, that was the case in The Chelsea Rip chapter from what rumor has it.