how much weight?
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It might not be so much about being better than the other guy - it might be more about winning the other guy's money.lodini said:Sorry, I don't mean to knock gambling. I just thought that with games of skill, weight wouldn't be an issue. Who really wants to say that, yeah, they beat that guy, but the guy gave him a spot? Doesn't that sound really weak?
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Tough game!
[off small. GivingQUOTE=BPG24]I would never give anyone, even a beginner the Breaks.
There is alot more to your scenario than just the scores of those sets. In order to determine if you can spot someone you have to be able to fully gauge their overall ability. Meaning you need to define their strengths, weaknesses, and tendencies. Once you gather that info then you can decide if your ability outweighs his. If you believe that your abilities exceed his than you have to determine by how much. that is where deciding a spot comes into play.
If you aren't much better than him, than I would be hesitant to give any spot at all. If you are that much better, start him the call last two or the call 8. If you beat him easily with those spots then you can consider a free spot ball. Remember Free spot balls are bigger on a bar table than on a big table.
Don't adjust because he wants to, adjust because you feel that you can still win after gathering the correct info.
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Avatar hero, you sound like a really tough guy to match up with!
[off small. GivingQUOTE=BPG24]I would never give anyone, even a beginner the Breaks.
There is alot more to your scenario than just the scores of those sets. In order to determine if you can spot someone you have to be able to fully gauge their overall ability. Meaning you need to define their strengths, weaknesses, and tendencies. Once you gather that info then you can decide if your ability outweighs his. If you believe that your abilities exceed his than you have to determine by how much. that is where deciding a spot comes into play.
If you aren't much better than him, than I would be hesitant to give any spot at all. If you are that much better, start him the call last two or the call 8. If you beat him easily with those spots then you can consider a free spot ball. Remember Free spot balls are bigger on a bar table than on a big table.
Don't adjust because he wants to, adjust because you feel that you can still win after gathering the correct info.
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Avatar hero, you sound like a really tough guy to match up with!
yea...
tuff guy doesnt matter you can prob kick my ass but i walked away with all your money hahaha
tuff guy doesnt matter you can prob kick my ass but i walked away with all your money hahaha
SJDinPHX said:
Okay. Let's say we match up and you beat me 4 sets in a row for $100 so you've won a total of $400. Now, I KNOW I can't beat you even-up but I still want to continue. What's more, you know you're better than me and still see an opportunity to make more money. There is a concession that one player is better than the other so it's not strictly about ego.
Now, there ARE scenarios where it is about ego. There are a handful of players that I play even-up ALL THE TIME. We don't ask for weight nor offer it. I can win 10 sets in a row and they will come back and play the 11th even-up.
It really depends on the history of the two players. The totum pole might also be established around a given player and how much weight he gives out. That is to say, "Oh, Joe beat you giving you the 7-ball? Well, I beat Joe and he only gave me the 8-ball!" I mean, ego can still get involved even in handicapped scenarios.
if it were me and i could beat him like that id tell him he has to play for more money to get spotted that usually gets them to keep the game the same i always tell them ill get to serious for you if im giving you a spot or we end up playin for fun and they always get the table time(i dont think ive paid in like 3 years to play pool)
lodini said:Sorry, I don't mean to knock gambling. I just thought that with games of skill, weight wouldn't be an issue. Who really wants to say that, yeah, they beat that guy, but the guy gave him a spot? Doesn't that sound really weak?
If Ginky wants to play me for $100 a set.... it would be like paying him $100 to rack the balls and watch. In which case, I dont think I would take that bet unless I was in the zone with $100 to burn. But if he wants to give me a huge spot, I may take the bet. But really, if he doesnt give me a spot, its almost like taking candy from a baby.
The Tooth strikes again!
i.e. Rich Cook. The Tooth took enough weight,(spot, handicap) in most
of his gambling endeavors, to sink the entire U.S. Naval fleet.
Especially, in later years, he rarely played without having the
absolute "nuts"
Jude, as you know, the principal character in that book was "Bucktooth"Jude Rosenstock said:
i.e. Rich Cook. The Tooth took enough weight,(spot, handicap) in most
of his gambling endeavors, to sink the entire U.S. Naval fleet.
Especially, in later years, he rarely played without having the
absolute "nuts"
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SJDinPHX said:
Wait, huh? Have you read the book? Tony Annigoni is the principal character.
Does anyone else think that the spot should not just be based on the games win/loss or how much you win, but based on how the sets were won/lost and played?
A buddy of mine played the owner of a local pool hall. I give both players the 7 but I think I can give the owner the 6. I have half of my friends bet for $50 a set. After two my buddy is up $100 but has not played well at all. The guy he is playing is running all the balls, dogging 9's, scratching late in racks. Now the owner wants the 8 ball and I don't think my friend has made buy 15 balls in two races to nine. We say no and he thinks we are being unreasonable.
Most people I play try the same thing. "you are up x sets so now you can give me one more ball". If everyone gambled this way the world would be even.
A buddy of mine played the owner of a local pool hall. I give both players the 7 but I think I can give the owner the 6. I have half of my friends bet for $50 a set. After two my buddy is up $100 but has not played well at all. The guy he is playing is running all the balls, dogging 9's, scratching late in racks. Now the owner wants the 8 ball and I don't think my friend has made buy 15 balls in two races to nine. We say no and he thinks we are being unreasonable.
Most people I play try the same thing. "you are up x sets so now you can give me one more ball". If everyone gambled this way the world would be even.
Sorry, I missed that one. I thought it was just in reference to giving the break.
SJDinPHX said:
Well, in Playing Off The Rail by David McCumber, Bucktooth IS a character. I think he makes two solid appearances where he flies to where McCumber and Annigoni are, if my memory serves correctly.
poolfire said:
Depends...If someone comes up to me and asks for a game and I beat them a few times and they all of a sudden want weight, I would remind them that they asked for that game...and use the line "get out with what you got in for"...
If I was the one that origonally asked for the game...I would have to adjust...but I would not go from zero gravity all the way to the 7 ball...
It looks as if the guy you played asked for the game, but on the second go round he lowerd the bet because he did not want to ask for weght, but was also not confident he was going to be able to win.
My hunch is....He is only asking for the 7 ball knowing that you will negotiate and offer him the 8-ball.
I would not offer him the 8 & the breaks...My negotiation response would have been Called 8....(takes away the break and or slop the 8 in) ...I probably would have "settled" on the wild 8 if he bocked at the called 8
Think of it as if you were the computer company Intel....You are not going to go from the quad 4 dual processer all the way up to the dual quad 8 quadrupel processor...you going to release just a little bump at a time...that way you get the other releases in between.
Rep For Being Multisyllablic
SJD - I'm giving you a good rep for using a word with more than two syllables
!!
(That makes up for the comment about you made about me not being able to bank ha!)
H & K's
Keith
SJDinPHX said:
SJD - I'm giving you a good rep for using a word with more than two syllables
!!(That makes up for the comment about you made about me not being able to bank ha!)
H & K's
Keith
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