How should a sneky pete play?

[krbsailing]

TS & BF SP's

I'd like to ask Bob Frey to comment on that. Maybe because the old Scruggs had a very long taper, which was appropriate for the equipment of the day. Those shafts would have a lot of deflection today I believe, primarily due to Simonis cloth. The wood and the taper, joint and ferrule/tip could be duplicated. I'll bet this is a frequent topic on the phone for Bob Frey...Tom

I've had both cues and without any doubt Tim and Bob make GREAT cues!

I don't play on Simonis or 4 1/2 x 9 tables but, I can tell you that your $$$ would be money well spent buying either a Scruggs or a Frey SP.

Both of these cues have an excellent resale value and play fantastic. My personal favorite is an old TS Hustler cue which I have matched up with a new DZ shaft

IMHO, like Speedy and the others here, I would think that if the local guy made the shaft for the cue and matched it to the butt and modified the butt in any way then it should play like a custom cue.

If $450 is your price point you have lots of EXCELLENT options here on AZ as well

 

[digitalcrack]

i can tell you from experience and it is my opinion that a frey and a scruggs s/p play nothing alike. i have had 2 side by side and let other people try the and they agree. just an opinion but i feel very stong toward it.

I agree, but with different tapers and different joint collars teh same cuemaker could hit differently. My favorite is white phenotic collar piloted ts bacote with black buttcap. I've tried two freys one piloted and teh other radial. The radial has a harder hit. The Piloted one feels very artificial. It's not like stroking through wood. I've hit with several different ts sneakies with no joint collars. They all have a hard but solid hit.

Ray

 

[krbsailing]

It's a Personal thing ...... I think!?

I agree, but with different tapers and different joint collars teh same cuemaker could hit differently. My favorite is white phenotic collar piloted ts bacote with black buttcap. I've tried two freys one piloted and teh other radial. The radial has a harder hit. The Piloted one feels very artificial. It's not like stroking through wood. I've hit with several different ts sneakies with no joint collars. They all have a hard but solid hit.

Ray

I'm not sure Ray....it truly is a personal feel/preference I think. Some of the wood, joint, ferrule, tip combos are going to hit different for sure

What I would say to you is that both the TS and Frey SP cues with entirely different joint/pin configurations shoot very well -- SOLID!

You can enhance the hit and feel of either of these or any other cuemakers SP by changing the balance point and tip/ferrule combo!?!

Happy Cue Hunting,

Ken

 

[Hal]

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That's one bad ass avatar.

 

[bogey54311]

i can tell you from experience and it is my opinion that a frey and a scruggs s/p play nothing alike. i have had 2 side by side and let other people try the and they agree. just an opinion but i feel very stong toward it.

i totally agree.
ive had about 10 scruggs SP's and 2 frey's.
WAY different.
not bad, but different.

chris G<-----scruggs fan

 

[rvan]

Thanks you all for you words of wisdom!!
I play with a old Biago it plays grate like a one piece 12.5mm lepro 10in pro taper 3/8 10, the Ferrel is a original linen,here are some pics. I dont expect his cue to play like this one, but you know when it feels good or not.
Thanks Rvan

 

[rvan]

Here is what i play with right now.
Biagio 12.5 mm le pro, 10in pro taper, linen ferrule, 18 to 19 oz it has a nylon insert in the shaft.
It has the forward weight to it and hit like a one piece cue.
Here are some pics any one know muck about these cues?
Thanks Rvan.

 

[tpdtom]

I agree, but with different tapers and different joint collars teh same cuemaker could hit differently. My favorite is white phenotic collar piloted ts bacote with black buttcap. I've tried two freys one piloted and teh other radial. The radial has a harder hit. The Piloted one feels very artificial. It's not like stroking through wood. I've hit with several different ts sneakies with no joint collars. They all have a hard but solid hit.

Ray

That's funny. I would have bet the piloted cue had a harder hit. The radial pin would provide more feedback(softer)...No ?

Regardless, since Bob Frey made the Scruggs Sneakys back in the day, the ones everyone compares all the current ones to, you would think that he could make another like that.

I have an opinion, but it may not be worth the powder to blow it to hell. The old Scruggs SP had a very long pro taper. They also had ivory ferrules IIRC, and a 5/16X14 piloted joint. Probably a very hard Champion tip too. Times have changed. The biggest change is Simonis cloth. Cue makers have changed almost all the components. That doesn't mean that those old cues don't still play great, but I'm willing to bet that they squirt quite a bit. The taper is shorter, the ferrule is phenolic or plastic. The tip is laminated. THE JOINT HAS A LINEN COLLAR AND IS A RADIAL PIN ! All those things are variables, and as many have already said, the hit is very subjective. You may not like what I like...Tom