How to do this Kick Technique

JE54

JE54

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I had a guy do 2 very nice one rail kicks on me last night, by using a technique that I'm not sure how he did them. Here's what he did.
These shots were called so it wasn't slop.
By the way these were both done after playing these safes on him.

The first was he came off the short rail and kicked the 8 in the side.

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Second came off the short rail and kicked the 8 in the corner. I had come up a little short on my safe. He wasn't supposed to be able to see the 8 at all, it was supposed to be blocked by the 11.

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The way he did them was to find the contact point where the ghost ball (gb) would be. From that position he used his cue to measure from the point on the gb to the rail and then it appeared that he used the exact distance behind the rail.
When he used the past rail measurement what was he looking for?
It appeared that he hit center ball, but I'm not sure. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I use the parallel shift as well as the 7th pocket so I have an understanding of what to do.
I realize that he got somewhat fortunate, but he had enough knowledge to try them. I know the guy and he was happy as hell on both (I would have been to), so its not like he's ringer. I would have no problem doing the same safes again. I'd just like to know how to do them.
Any thoughts or ideas?
 
he used his cue to measure from the point on the gb to the rail and then it appeared that he used the exact distance behind the rail.
When he used the past rail measurement what was he looking for?
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He was looking for the "reflection" of the ghost ball, as if there was a mirror at the rail. Aiming at the imagined reflection of the ghost ball is the same as aiming at the "equal angle in - equal angle out" spot on the rail.

However, the "equal angle in - equal angle out" spot on the rail is usually slightly wrong for the actual shot, so he either adjusted somehow or got a little lucky.

pj
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RRfireblade said:
He got lucky and simply called the most likey pockets for the 8.
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Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. On the first shot, he should have called the 8 in the corner, not the side. But, if you actually aim a shot, and make it, is that luck just because it is a low percentage shot? I would call it a good shot.
 
Neil said:
Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. On the first shot, he should have called the 8 in the corner, not the side. But, if you actually aim a shot, and make it, is that luck just because it is a low percentage shot? I would call it a good shot.
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I don't know very many people who don't aim at the shots they take ;) so yeah , it can still be luck that it actually went in.

:p
 
Neil said:
Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. On the first shot, he should have called the 8 in the corner, not the side.
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Oh , forgot. Purely a judgement call since the 8 is only a few inches from the side. Could go 50/50 either way IMO. :)
 
Looking at the diagram of the 1st shot, I don't think it was quite that far from the side. Maybe half that distance, but still straight out. No angle to give him an easy kick. He had to just clip it. He made a nice shot. Just trying to figure it out to add to my own options.
 
I think the real question is why not how

Looking at your diagrams and realizing that they may be a little off it still seems that he simply attempted the best options he had to the best of his ability. While a variety of aiming techniques will get you close on those shots none will make them a high percentage shot as adjustments for each table will be required particularly with the first shot.

Looking at the first shot, he almost had to shoot for the side especially if the eight was only half the distance from the pocket as the diagram indicates. Shooting for the corner pocket there would be a high probability of scratching in the side after hitting the object ball. A lot of window there for the cue ball to go in the side.

The second shot was fairly easy to get a square hit on the eight ball in the hope of sending it down table and stopping the cue ball, not leaving you much. The corner was the obvious pocket to call.

My thoughts, sorry that they didn't get you any closer to making these shots. Having a rough aim and knowing the compensation needed at the moment is the only real way I know of.

Hu
 
JE54 said:
...It appeared that he hit center ball, but I'm not sure. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Center ball is good as long as the cueball is rolling or well along the way to rolling before contacting the cushion. This gives you a rebound angle close to the approach angle (ie, a near mirror reflection), and maybe an exact reflection if you're lucky.

Instead of measuring the relevant distances from the nose of the cushion, it's better to measure from 1/2 ball diameter in from the nose, the so called rail track. That's close to where the center of the cueball changes direction. Other considerations make determining the exact position of the reflection plane (the "mirror") complicated, but the rail track is a good guess.

Jim
 
Tony Robles showed me this system.

1. Place the cue stick over the OB perpendicular to the rail off which you will kick with the tip anchored under the cushion so you can pivot the cue in the next step. Because I am a WEI rookie, I placed the OB on the head string line to represent where the cue stick would be held initially.

2. Pivot the cue so that it intersects the midpoint between CB and OB. This is TRICKY due to parallax and binocular vision so it takes a little practice to be able to place that cue over the actual midpoint and not what might appear to be the midpoint. Use a chalk cube and tape measure at first and soon you will get it.

3. Now that you have pivoted the cue over the midpoint, raise the tip up and move your body and the cue to the left...parallel to the line the cue was just on until it is directly over the CB. The cue will then point to the point of aim on the cusion which I have represented with the 2 ball.

The body/cue move to the left is critical. You MUST move exactly parallel to the cue's former line.

4. Use a SLIGHT amount of running english...like 1/8 tip and a soft to medium pace.

Tony consistently hit the OB full, left side and right side, at will by placing the cue in step 1 over the center, left or right of the OB.

Regards,
Jim




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