How to judge *this* shot for a double hit?

Billy_Bob

Billy_Bob

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The shot below is for an 8-ball game.

Only the 8-ball is left on the table. The 8-ball is 1/4 inch off the rail (not frozen to rail). Cue ball is directly in front of 8-ball about 1/2 inch away.

Player shoots a safety - shoots cue ball directly into 8-ball.

How can an observer tell if it was a double hit or not?
(Tip of cue touches cue ball twice.)

The shot...
http://CueTable.com/P/?#4HRdf4PRdK4TRdM#
 
Billy_Bob said:
The shot below is for an 8-ball game.

Only the 8-ball is left on the table. The 8-ball is 1/4 inch off the rail (not frozen to rail). Cue ball is directly in front of 8-ball about 1/2 inch away.

Player shoots a safety - shoots cue ball directly into 8-ball.

How can an observer tell if it was a double hit or not?
(Tip of cue touches cue ball twice.)

The shot...
http://CueTable.com/P/?#4HRdf4PRdK4TRdM#
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As far as judging goes, watch very closely -- that shot seems like it has to be hit softly enough that you should be able to see it. It also like a good situation in which to play the "lift up" shot -- there's an article on varieties of the lift up shot by Bob Jewett that someone can probably provide a link to.

Cory
 
if you have a qualified tournemrnt director on or referee, you let him be the judge, he is [ the man] problem solved next question?????
 
Ronoh said:
Link to Jewett's site is in my sig.
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Actually, the "cue ball close to object ball" safety is in http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/1997-10.pdf

It's important to note that at least one organization has explicitly rules the "lift up" shot to be a foul because it is not a forward stroke of the cue stick.

But to answer the original question, you can usually judge by the action of the balls. It is easier for the player to judge (rather than a ref), since he knows what he was trying to do, and he can feel any double hit.
 
Lift Shot

Bob Jewett said:
Actually, the "cue ball close to object ball" safety is in http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/1997-10.pdf

It's important to note that at least one organization has explicitly rules the "lift up" shot to be a foul because it is not a forward stroke of the cue stick.

But to answer the original question, you can usually judge by the action of the balls. It is easier for the player to judge (rather than a ref), since he knows what he was trying to do, and he can feel any double hit.
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Any Info on what org. has outlawed the lift shot. Is it BCA legal??
 
Bob Jewett said:
Actually, the "cue ball close to object ball" safety is in http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/1997-10.pdf

It's important to note that at least one organization has explicitly rules the "lift up" shot to be a foul because it is not a forward stroke of the cue stick.

But to answer the original question, you can usually judge by the action of the balls. It is easier for the player to judge (rather than a ref), since he knows what he was trying to do, and he can feel any double hit.
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Bob,
I just thought of something when I read this. If the back of the cue is held stationary, so the lifting of the tip causes the cue to pivot on the bumper, then the tip would make a 58" radius arc. My thought is the tip would be advancing until the cue is level after which, it would be recedeing. I am undecided on whether such a shot should be legal, but this is just a thought.

Tracy
 
rackem said:
Any Info on what org. has outlawed the lift shot. Is it BCA legal??
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The ruling was by the BCA before the split of the leagues from the trade organization. I'm not sure what the status is now among the various. I think the rules don't explicitly address the shot.
 
Do Remember if at any time you let go of the stick after you set it on the table it would be a foul.
 
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