How to put on the BIG Local Tournaments?

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Hello AZB, Looking to learn from your experience, please chime in!

Recently we had a Local Player, who wanted to pull together a Local Limited Entry 16 Player tourney, with $100 buy-in / $15 greens. He started setting up the event, with plenty of time for players to work out schedules.

He has the right contacts for players, and was assured 16 players would be no sweat, the pot size would be very attractive.

Bottom Line: When it came down to it, we ended up with 7 players, after 1 asked for his money back and left, because we couldn't fill the 16 spots, (which we accommodated)

Part of this failure was due to "Advertising". He relied mostly on word of mouth.

We did start after the scheduled time, in anticipation of additional players showing up. We had 2 "tournament ready" tables, and one "practice room" table located upstairs.

Since the original plans kinda fell off, we took a poll with the remaining 7 and decided to go forward with the tournament. The format was Double Elimination Race to 7 (Winners) / Race to 5 (Losers). Alternate breaks, rack-your-own.

$$ Spots for 1st and 2nd only.

This worked out pretty well for the most part, we feel the players had a good time, and would be open to future events.

Here's my question:
What tasks, (or items) aid you, in pulling off successful reoccurring local events? (Something bigger, not just the weekly events)

Thank you for any input your willing to share!
 
First off, you need em all to prepay, very Important for $100,and a penalty of like $25 to withdraw
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16 players races to 11/9 would be perfect.
 
Hello AZB, Looking to learn from your experience, please chime in!

Recently we had a Local Player, who wanted to pull together a Local Limited Entry 16 Player tourney, with $100 buy-in / $15 greens. He started setting up the event, with plenty of time for players to work out schedules.

He has the right contacts for players, and was assured 16 players would be no sweat, the pot size would be very attractive.

Bottom Line: When it came down to it, we ended up with 7 players, after 1 asked for his money back and left, because we couldn't fill the 16 spots, (which we accommodated)

Part of this failure was due to "Advertising". He relied mostly on word of mouth.

We did start after the scheduled time, in anticipation of additional players showing up. We had 2 "tournament ready" tables, and one "practice room" table located upstairs.

Since the original plans kinda fell off, we took a poll with the remaining 7 and decided to go forward with the tournament. The format was Double Elimination Race to 7 (Winners) / Race to 5 (Losers). Alternate breaks, rack-your-own.

$$ Spots for 1st and 2nd only.

This worked out pretty well for the most part, we feel the players had a good time, and would be open to future events.

Here's my question:
What tasks, (or items) aid you, in pulling off successful reoccurring local events? (Something bigger, not just the weekly events)

Thank you for any input your willing to share!

Here we have a local weekly tournament. Happens every week at the same time. At least 60 people know about it and have played in it. With no "advertising" we get a regular 7-12 people a week.

I stopped running it a while back, and recently the "new guy" stopped running it. The guy running it now calls a lot of people every week on his phone, and we get about 20-25 people a week. Even though they all know about it, for some reason they don't bother to come unless they get a personal invite.

edit: Also, don't just pay the first two spots. There are bound to be two favorites to win, so why should anyone else play? Pay 25% of the field. That way more people have a reason to attend.
 
Here we have a local weekly tournament. Happens every week at the same time. At least 60 people know about it and have played in it. With no "advertising" we get a regular 7-12 people a week.

I stopped running it a while back, and recently the "new guy" stopped running it. The guy running it now calls a lot of people every week on his phone, and we get about 20-25 people a week. Even though they all know about it, for some reason they don't bother to come unless they get a personal invite.

edit: Also, don't just pay the first two spots. There are bound to be two favorites to win, so why should anyone else play? Pay 25% of the field. That way more people have a reason to attend.

I am pretty sure paying 2 spots out of 7 people is more than 25%.....
 
Hello AZB, Looking to learn from your experience, please chime in!

Recently we had a Local Player, who wanted to pull together a Local Limited Entry 16 Player tourney, with $100 buy-in / $15 greens. He started setting up the event, with plenty of time for players to work out schedules.

He has the right contacts for players, and was assured 16 players would be no sweat, the pot size would be very attractive.

Bottom Line: When it came down to it, we ended up with 7 players, after 1 asked for his money back and left, because we couldn't fill the 16 spots, (which we accommodated)

Part of this failure was due to "Advertising". He relied mostly on word of mouth.

We did start after the scheduled time, in anticipation of additional players showing up. We had 2 "tournament ready" tables, and one "practice room" table located upstairs.

Since the original plans kinda fell off, we took a poll with the remaining 7 and decided to go forward with the tournament. The format was Double Elimination Race to 7 (Winners) / Race to 5 (Losers). Alternate breaks, rack-your-own.

$$ Spots for 1st and 2nd only.

This worked out pretty well for the most part, we feel the players had a good time, and would be open to future events.

Here's my question:
What tasks, (or items) aid you, in pulling off successful reoccurring local events? (Something bigger, not just the weekly events)

Thank you for any input your willing to share!

I'm not exactly the right person for this subject because I have only put on smaller tournaments (less than 30) and only a hand full of bigger ones. I have organized other events for non for profit groups that had anywhere from 100 to 1500 people. Still not huge but I've learned a few things.

First thing I learned about the pool tournaments, if you're in charge BE IN CHARGE. By that I mean don't let anyone think that there is any wiggle room. Don't be wishy washy. In the end the players will respect you for it and that is the start to getting return players.

Be true to your word. If you say your gonna start at 1:00 PM than do it. The other players might not say it but they don't appreciate you showing favoritism by waiting on 1 guy who is coming just to steal every ones money. EDIT- this has nothing to do with your post but from me actually seeing this happen at a tournament I was in.

If you don't know the rules put someone in charge who does. If you don't know how to run a efficient bracket put someone in charge who does.

Advertise the hell out of it. This is where the bulk of your work should be. In this day and age of endless free advertising there is no excuse for not taking advantage of it. FACEBOOK IS YOUR FRIEND. Build a good network of players, suppliers, room owners, manufactures and fans of pool. These are your people so none of them should say"I didn't know that was today"!

Find a way to let your players know how much you appreciate them being there. I once put on a event and gave each of the players a bag that contained items like chalk, tips and other freebies. It was a two fold approach. I contacted vendors and asked if they had some items that they would donate and include their business card with it. They got cheap advertisement, my players got some goodies and it started off my tournament with a good vibe. I had players come up to me and say they've never got anything like that at a tournament and everyone of them asked me to let them know when I was going to do it again.

Get vendors at your event. Even small events. It is amazing how much of a positive influence it can be to have a cue maker or table supplier their answering questions and showing off their products. There is a long term effect with something like that. I once contacted a local cue suppliers to see if he wanted to donate a small item to one of my events for a raffle. He gave me a $250.00 cue! He said "That's for letting me set up shop at your tournament a few years ago" He told me that several people didn't know about his business and he has got a lot of table repair work from that.

Speaking of raffles, I used to put on a fund raiser tournament for the Make A Wish foundation. We would have tons of raffles and silent auctions during the tournament, later I would find out that several of the people in the crowd who didn't play would say that they showed up just for the raffles and auctions. The bar owner loved it because it was great business for him. To this day I get a free beer offered to me every time I go in there.

Security. In any big event it is important that you are able to get a handle on potential problems quickly. Never let anything get out of hand. People need to know that they are safe. Make them feel safe and comfortable and they will return if they had a good time.

Make it attractive for spectators too. Not everyone is there to play but you need to cater to everyone that is there so figure out how to keep your crowd happy. Good seating, spectators 50/50 drawing, whatever it takes. I like to make sure we have a bartender that just works the crowd so no one has to get up if they don't want to. Depending on your venue that may not always be possible.

Invite the local news to so a report on your tournament. You wouldn't believe how easy this is especially in a smaller town. I've had a reporter at one of our events during the tournament. I had a local trick shot artist show them a few shots and had the reporter actually do it for their evening broadcast. It was great, they loved it and we got a very positive news report which helped open doors for the next event. The next time I hit up local business for product donations it was a breeze. Some of them already had thing set aside for it. (It was a annual event that had ran for 24 years)

After the tournament get with the local paper to post the results, try to make a big deal of the finalists. Post pictures of the winners with a trophy/cash in the participating businesses. Use those pictures for your next flyer showing how great it was last time.

If I think of some more things I will let you know if your interested.

P.S. It's also a good idea to work with a local hotel to get room deals for the players and advertise that when talking about the tournament. You can also do this with restaurants, I had a local diner that offered a 15% discount to any participants to a KCBS BBQ contest I put on. Just use your imagination, what would you like to see if you were a player?
 
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First off, THANKS everyone!

GREAT INSIGHT! I will put this to good use!
I will take deposits in advance for the next one. Does it work better to "Discount" the entry fee, for instance if we have a $100 buy-in, and post a deadline date of 2 weeks in advance to register (non refundable), but will receive a $20 discount making it $80 or is it about the same either way? As for the race to 11/9 for 16 players using 2 tables this could take a VERY long time no?!

Love the Idea of getting sponsor's to donate "party favors" for free advertising, I'll see what I can do with this!
Love ALL the advice, thanks CDRYDEN!
 
First off, THANKS everyone!



Love the Idea of getting sponsor's to donate "party favors" for free advertising, I'll see what I can do with this!
Love ALL the advice, thanks CDRYDEN!

No problem. Better tournaments mean more player and more players = a stronger sport. Happy to help and best of luck to ya. Let us know how it goes.
 
I've also gotten some ideas from this thread, both for my tournament this Saturday, and for the future.
 
Getting advertising out is key, unless people already know about a regular tournament.

Mike Sigel recently went to a Jillians pool hall near me, Jullians is horrible for real pool, they did no advertising for Mike. Although they said they would. From the sign up sheet, there were 6 people that came to meet him and find out about the new league he's starting.

After he came and went, several players were totally distraught that they did not know he was going to be there and they missed him. There is a pretty large in-house league in the pool room, yet no-one from that league was there. Because no-one at Jillians bothered to put up any posters or even tell the league players directly that one of the top players ever will be in the room.

The only reason I knew he was going to be there was because of a post on AZB someone put up with his trip dates.
 
So how does everyone advertise?

AZB,Facebook, Flyers, word of mouth, email blasts? What other options am I missing?
 
The guy running it now calls a lot of people every week on his phone, and we get about 20-25 people a week. Even though they all know about it, for some reason they don't bother to come unless they get a personal invite.

This helps a ton.

I run a weekly tournament using a website that I created which lets players sign up for a free account using a text message. They can then enter my tournament by texting "join tournament larry" ("JT Larry" for short) to the same number and their name will pop into the list of players up on the TV next to the table. Then when next week rolls around, I send out a "mass invite" and they will get a text message reminding them about the tournament and containing instructions to enter via replying to the text.

The moral of the story is that I forgot to send out the invites a couple times in the past and tournament attendance went from an average of ~25 players down to 11. Less than half of the regular players bothered to show up to a tournament that they play in every week simply because they didn't get the text message! I really think that having a small reminder like that on the day of the tournament can cause a lot of people to make it a plan to show up.

-Larry

PS. Not trying to be spammy here, but if anyone is interested in using my system, it's called http://nomadpool.com. Anyone can run their own tournaments on it and it's completely free to do so. PM me!
 
So how does everyone advertise?

AZB,Facebook, Flyers, word of mouth, email blasts? What other options am I missing?

One thing I did at my first tournament last night, was take down people's cell phone number when they signed up. I then texted them when the date for the next tournament was set.
 
So how does everyone advertise?

AZB,Facebook, Flyers, word of mouth, email blasts? What other options am I missing?

Yep, all of those. Emails works well for some but not others (I know many people that never check email), flyers work great but I'm sure many rooms that are not hosting the tournament would not want to have flyers for another room in their place.

If you do a rotating tournament that visits several rooms, you should be able to get the flyers into all of them.

Texting works well also, I think a lot more people check facebook and texts than do email.
 
First off, THANKS everyone!

GREAT INSIGHT! I will put this to good use!
I will take deposits in advance for the next one. Does it work better to "Discount" the entry fee, for instance if we have a $100 buy-in, and post a deadline date of 2 weeks in advance to register (non refundable), but will receive a $20 discount making it $80 or is it about the same either way? As for the race to 11/9 for 16 players using 2 tables this could take a VERY long time no?!

Love the Idea of getting sponsor's to donate "party favors" for free advertising, I'll see what I can do with this!
Love ALL the advice, thanks CDRYDEN!

I used to run a tournament where the entry fee was $20 if you were on time, $22 if you called and were no more than 15 minutes late, and $25 if you arrived late and there was still a bye to be filled. One way or another, you have to get everyone there on time. Tournaments die when everybody has to sit around waiting for enough players to show up.

For a larger event like yours, I would make the incentive even stronger: everyone must pre-pay the $100 entry. Anyone who shows up before the official start time gets handed $20. Anyone who shows up on tournament day can buy in for $100, if there's room. If someone cancels with 2 days notice, then a full refund; if someone cancels with less notice, then 50% refund. Maket the spots transferable to give someone who is canceling an incentive to find a replacement.

Mass emails and texts are also very helpful. People, especially pool players it seems, just forget things.

The other advice to "be in charge" is also critical. Most players are reasonable, but in a group of 16, at least 1 to 2 will not be. Those 1 or 2 will whine and try to push things in their favor one way or another. You have to eliminate that immediately. Be very ready to say, "I have listened and I have made the ruling and the ruling stands. Resume play." Otherwise, you make 15 people unhappy just to make 1 happy, and sooner or later, others will start to copy the bad behavior just to keep things even.

Good luck!
 
Another great idea!

One thing I did at my first tournament last night, was take down people's cell phone number when they signed up. I then texted them when the date for the next tournament was set.

I too have already done this! :D
 
I used to run a tournament where the entry fee was $20 if you were on time, $22 if you called and were no more than 15 minutes late, and $25 if you arrived late and there was still a bye to be filled. One way or another, you have to get everyone there on time. Tournaments die when everybody has to sit around waiting for enough players to show up.

For a larger event like yours, I would make the incentive even stronger: everyone must pre-pay the $100 entry. Anyone who shows up before the official start time gets handed $20. Anyone who shows up on tournament day can buy in for $100, if there's room. If someone cancels with 2 days notice, then a full refund; if someone cancels with less notice, then 50% refund. Maket the spots transferable to give someone who is canceling an incentive to find a replacement.

Mass emails and texts are also very helpful. People, especially pool players it seems, just forget things.

The other advice to "be in charge" is also critical. Most players are reasonable, but in a group of 16, at least 1 to 2 will not be. Those 1 or 2 will whine and try to push things in their favor one way or another. You have to eliminate that immediately. Be very ready to say, "I have listened and I have made the ruling and the ruling stands. Resume play." Otherwise, you make 15 people unhappy just to make 1 happy, and sooner or later, others will start to copy the bad behavior just to keep things even.

Good luck!

Thank you, I like your idea's also. I'm learning a lot from this thread!
 
So how does everyone advertise?

AZB,Facebook, Flyers, word of mouth, email blasts? What other options am I missing?

Social medias
Email
Post flyers at every bar and pool supply store in the area
Use you local chamber of commerce
Local media ie: news paper, town magazine (even my small hometown of 18,000 has one)
Town/City online forums
Local radio stations
Post flyers at colleges and students hangouts
Have banners made by local sign shops
Advertise in pool and billiards magazines
Visit other events in the area and ask the organizers if you can post some flyers at their events.
Familiarize yourself with the local non for profit organizations like the Jaycee's, Lions Club, Elks Club etc, working with these organization to cross promote your events can be beneficial for both parties. Tell them you will hand out flyers for their events at your tournament if they agree to help promote your tournament. Don't underestimate the power of this one, I have used it several times and its a win win for all involved.

My brain isn't working too well yet due to an amazing peach wine hangover! If I come up with some more I will let you know but these are a few I have used over the years.
 
1. Find a sponsor to give you something. (cue case, gift certificate, etc)
2. Run a contest on your website to win the item for free.
3. Put your web address on your flyer and hand the flyer out to everyone you can find on league nights.
4. Collect a bunch of phone numbers, emails and addresses as they register to win the prize.
5. Plaster it all over social media and Craigslist
6. Put flyers up everywhere you can think of and especially any place with a pool table
7. Contact the newspaper and see if they will write an article about your event. Newspapers are starving for content - many times you just need to ask to get free publicity.
8. Make your tournament as fun as possible. Give lots of free stuff away, even if its cheap stuff. People love free stuff. I had a league operator give me a lot of merchandise for my last tournament and I agreed to help promote his league at the tourney.
 
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