How Would You Play This? 9/7/07

Depending on exactly how they lay, and the equipment, this shot might work. Extreme inside with a bit of follow.

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For the heck of it.

I would bank the seven with a little low right 4:30 ish and park the cue in between the 8/9.The logical choice was already taken and I like to be a little different unless there's cash on the game.
 
LILJOHN30 said:
I would bank the seven with a little low right 4:30 ish and park the cue in between the 8/9.The logical choice was already taken and I like to be a little different unless there's cash on the game.
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I would use 7:30ish and hit the 7 a little more full...
 
klockdoc said:
It is rather tough to actually calculate the angle coming off the the 7 by looking at a diagram, but, here is another thought.

Hitting the ball with low english, (not draw, but, low center in order to get the natural roll off the rails) and come around 4 rails as shown in the diagram here.
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Your idea MIGHT work. This is actually where the decision lies. To do this or something else. You've illustrated the ideal path to the 8-ball but you're asking for a lot. If you miscalculate how the cue-ball will come off any of these rails, you're going to find yourself with a combination. Not the worst-case scenario but definitely not ideal.
 
Aaron_S said:
Depending on exactly how they lay, and the equipment, this shot might work. Extreme inside with a bit of follow.
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Yeah baby. We call these "reverse off the second rail" shots. The only thing I would criticize here is how you're striking the cue-ball. You want to use right spin but not top. The top is going to make that cue-ball bend the wrong way. You want center-ball or a hair below center. It's going to smack into that first rail so fast, you won't have to worry about any draw actually doing anything. You'll get a very firm rebound and maintain most of the right spin you employed.
 

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You might try this... with inside draw... but I think the table would need to be fast...
 
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Jude Rosenstock said:
You want center-ball or a hair below center.
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I'm sure you're right. It's been a long time since I've tried this shot, and I really only had decent success with it on 760 cloth. I'll have to try it at home (860) tonight. Great shot, btw.
 
Aaron_S said:
I'm sure you're right. It's been a long time since I've tried this shot, and I really only had decent success with it on 760 cloth. I'll have to try it at home (860) tonight. Great shot, btw.
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Let me know how it goes.
 
jdr said:
You might try this... with inside draw... but I think the table would need to be fast...
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I think you'll miss the shot trying to hold the cueball. In fact, if you make the shot, you may end up accidentally executing the 4-railer which will get you there.
 
Yeah, right...

I think the 4-railer goes too long, but I'd probably try it anyway on the theory that I'd either bump the 8 out and get a shot or get by it and get a shot.

The only realistic alternative I see is this:

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I just went and hit this shot about 30 times. Most of the suggestions on here (including my own of low left) put me above the 8 or into it. The best option I found was to hit the cue ball half to one tip below center with a firm stroke. This put me between the 8 and 9 almost every time!
 
mantis99 said:
I just went and hit this shot about 30 times. Most of the suggestions on here (including my own of low left) put me above the 8 or into it. The best option I found was to hit the cue ball half to one tip below center with a firm stroke. This put me between the 8 and 9 almost every time!
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You must be catching the second rail right near the lower left corner pocket and going four rails. It's a good route to go. Did you try using bottom right and reversing off the second rail?
 
Also, any attempt at right hand english came up well short. I have an 8 foot table with slower cloth, but it did not appear that a faster cloth would havemade enough of a difference. You would really have to slam it. Seems like it would be easier in the above mentioned way.
 
mantis99 said:
Also, any attempt at right hand english came up well short. I have an 8 foot table with slower cloth, but it did not appear that a faster cloth would havemade enough of a difference. You would really have to slam it. Seems like it would be easier in the above mentioned way.
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Yeah, with bottom-right, the key is to get the cue-ball to have an immediate rebound. If I can get video of it over the weekend, I'll definitely try. It's a firm hit. On a scale of 1-6, it'd be about a 3-4.
 
mantis99 said:
I played right hand, but not bottom right. I will have to try that. Great thread Jude!!
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Thanks!

Yeah, I know it seems a little counter-intuitive using a little draw but what happens is, it hits the rail AND THEN the draw turns into follow.
 
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