How Would You Play This? III

Jude Rosenstock

Jude Rosenstock

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Here's a fun one. Plenty of ways to get out here and I'm sure they get real creative.

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You're prolific today. :)

I kinda like a 2:00-2:30 hit, barely clipping the seven, coming off of the long rail and into a clockwise 3 railer, leaving the cue back near the foot rail, "above" the 8.

Ken
 
Slider said:
You're prolific today. :)

I kinda like a 2:00-2:30 hit, barely clipping the seven, coming off of the long rail and into a clockwise 3 railer, leaving the cue back near the foot rail, "above" the 8.

Ken
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I like this approach. Go with the running-english off the second-rail by using reverse off the first. There's another fun option, though.
 
From the picture, it looks like you might be able to throw the 7 in and just leave the cue there.

If that's not possible, I like hitting the 7 with bottom left and going 1 rail coming above the 8...

I'd be slightly worried of the 1st side pocket on a three rail shot..
 
sorry for not including a link to the original diagram but since it's a rather simple table-layout, can you illustrate what you mean?
 
So everybody says to fly around the table? I don't like moving the cb all over the place, too many variables. I say draw back into the 9 for complete predictability and minimal movement.
 
After rereading Slider's post, I like his shot better than my 1 rail shot... no possibility of hitting either side pocket... I misread his post originally...
 
Not saying it's correct but the last time I was faced with this shot (and felt like doing something different), I did a masse (right side), fairly lightly. Since the pocket was so close, I wasn't worried about missing and the cue-ball just crawled right back to the rail. The 5-railer is usually going to be the way to go but the masse is an interesting option.
 
The masse and double kiss are pretty creative... You guys have some serious balls to be shooting that for the cash...
 
I don't care for the masse, because I'm hooked too often if I mishit it. The double kiss, though creative, is too difficult for my taste. A tape measure would show that the five railer with reverse provides the longest path into the eight ball, but I think it's too chancy when you are frozen to the bottom rail. As you'll have to hit the cue ball high, it will lengthen out off the first rail, and I feel there's a danger you will either scratch or even catch the top rail first. I'm playing it conservatively here. The table is giving me follow, and I'll use the fact that the path of the cue ball will lengthen to my advantage by playing it as shown below.
 

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sjm said:
I don't care for the masse, because I'm hooked too often if I mishit it. The double kiss, though creative, is too difficult for my taste. A tape measure would show that the five railer with reverse provides the longest path into the eight ball, but I think it's too chancy when you are frozen to the bottom rail. As you'll have to hit the cue ball high, it will lengthen out off the first rail, and I feel there's a danger you will either scratch or even catch the top rail first. I'm playing it conservatively here. The table is giving me follow, and I'll use the fact that the path of the cue ball will lengthen to my advantage by playing it as shown below.
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I like this one better too.
 
sjm said:
I don't care for the masse, because I'm hooked too often if I mishit it. The double kiss, though creative, is too difficult for my taste. A tape measure would show that the five railer with reverse provides the longest path into the eight ball, but I think it's too chancy when you are frozen to the bottom rail. As you'll have to hit the cue ball high, it will lengthen out off the first rail, and I feel there's a danger you will either scratch or even catch the top rail first. I'm playing it conservatively here. The table is giving me follow, and I'll use the fact that the path of the cue ball will lengthen to my advantage by playing it as shown below.
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This route is so superior to the others it's not even funny! If a buddy of mine disagrees I will say, "you do it your way 10 times and I'll do it my way 10 times and whoever gets out the most wins the cash."

It's funny to watch them suddenly second guess themselves.
 
sjm said:
I don't care for the masse, because I'm hooked too often if I mishit it. The double kiss, though creative, is too difficult for my taste. A tape measure would show that the five railer with reverse provides the longest path into the eight ball, but I think it's too chancy when you are frozen to the bottom rail. As you'll have to hit the cue ball high, it will lengthen out off the first rail, and I feel there's a danger you will either scratch or even catch the top rail first. I'm playing it conservatively here. The table is giving me follow, and I'll use the fact that the path of the cue ball will lengthen to my advantage by playing it as shown below.
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I like jdr's throw suggestion as I practice throws alot in this situation, but if the table is fast, I am going with the long 2-3 rail english as well. Would be fairly simple to get shape since it's fast.

ez
 
Drew said:
So everybody says to fly around the table? I don't like moving the cb all over the place, too many variables. I say draw back into the 9 for complete predictability and minimal movement.
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I agree completely. >>>>>>
 
Maybe The Ripper would do that...

Play the 5-railer??...I don't know anyone who would do that...well I might...but not if it was a real game...2 or 3 rails is risky enough...and I do like the small masse shot...it's not that tough...
 
Drew said:
So everybody says to fly around the table? I don't like moving the cb all over the place, too many variables. I say draw back into the 9 for complete predictability and minimal movement.
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By the diagram to make the seven you wouldn't touch the nine even if you were Mike Massey...

I like the masse' myself.
 
SJM's diagram was originally what I had thought Slider meant... I don't like it because the side pocket is huge on the first rail... not necessarily to scratch, but to catch a tit and end up somewhere near the far corner pocket or the cross side. If you move SJM's line off the seven just a couple degrees, you see the chance to clip the side... That's why if I was going that route (instead of the 5 rail route), I would try to draw it coming off the seven and miss the long rail completely...

In the end, I guess it all depends on the exact angle between the cue, the seven and the corner pocket. If it's a very thin cut, 5 rails. A little fuller cut and I can get under the cue, a litte draw 1 or 2 rails. Fuller cut, but I can't get under, I'd play like SJM. An even fuller cut, I'd try to throw it in.
 
jdr said:
After rereading Slider's post, I like his shot better than my 1 rail shot... no possibility of hitting either side pocket... I misread his post originally...
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You know... I'm starting to like sjm's shot. That 4-5 railer would be good for an exhibition, but not for "the cheese". That's a looooong way to move the rock.

Ken
(I could find a way to screw up either one.)
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Here's a fun one. Plenty of ways to get out here and I'm sure they get real creative.

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This will be my shot normally

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4GYng4HKSk4IQFx4PTxk4TVtl3phrs4kTxk4kWrV4kbJp2kbfx2kFMk1kbPh3kbiT3kVtO1uAAU@

However, since the QB is frozen to the rail, I believe this will happen (learned from mistake, but quite useful too)

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4GYng4HKSk4IQFx4PTxk4TVtl3phrs4kTxk4kWrV4kbJp8kAxV2kThi3kbuO3kVtOzcUi2uClR@
 
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