How Would You Play This? Part II

Jude Rosenstock

Jude Rosenstock

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Amazingly, as obvious as this one may also seem, I always see competent players mess-up these situations. You have a 2-9 that's wired but a tough situation on the 1-ball. What do you do?

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bank the one into the lower left corner, put low right on the cue ball to get it to the other side?
 
Ant812 said:
bank the one into the lower left corner, put low right on the cue ball to get it to the other side?
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dat looks like one tough bank shot, let alone holding the CB enough to get shape.

-s

/$.02
 
I would attempt to bank the 1 past the 7 and leave it on the rail, and try and snug the CB somewhere behind the 5/8
 
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steev said:
dat looks like one tough bank shot, let alone holding the CB enough to get shape.

-s

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yeah, your right. i shoot much better on my computer screen though. :D
 
on a good table, making the 7 here isn't bad. getting shape on the 1 is the problem...

as far as the safe goes, i don't trust myself to hide the CB that well. i'd rather lose going for the win than going for the safe.

-s
 
In my opinion, any offensive attempt in this scenario will result in an inevitable loss of game. You have to play safe. There are several safeties availabe. My favorite is hiding behind the great-wall of China set-up with the 5 & 8 balls. I figure, my opponent has to see the combination that is about to occur and take the intentional foul, especially with how the 3-ball is tied up.
 
I'd try to play safe with the 1 on the long rail and the cue on the same rail behind the 3/4. Then I'd weep when I miss it horribly and my opponent gets out in 2 shots.
 
I would fire the one in the corner by the nine( big pocket with side boards) with low left giving me four rail shape on the 2/9 combo...if I had moved the nine while making the one ball I would have to reavaluate.....so it goes.....:)
 
Well, the 9 is making the top-right corner pretty big for the 1 ball, but if you move the 9, you could lose the 2-9 combo, and the 3 isn't looking too sweet from there.

I don't really care for the 1-7 because it looks like it's set up a little long, which means you'd either have to stiffen it with speed or spin it a little, either of which would add a degree of risk. A little too much speed and you could end up with the 1 behind the 6, or the 1 could follow the 7 in, leaving you with a missable carom on the 9. Missing the 7 entirely pretty much means game over as well.

I think if the chips were down I would lay back for a shot and hope for a better opportunity to get to the 2-9 next time. Maybe something like this.

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Aaron
 
steev said:
on a good table, making the 7 here isn't bad. getting shape on the 1 is the problem...

as far as the safe goes, i don't trust myself to hide the CB that well. i'd rather lose going for the win than going for the safe.

-s
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The safe here is pretty straight forward. The problem with a safety is that 3 ball. You play safe behind the 5 or 8. Your opponent takes the 9 out of play. Hopefully you were able to hold the 1 close to the 7. With your ball in hand, you can play the 1-7 combo or carom and break out the 3 keeping some kind of shape on the 1. You have to break out the 3 with the 1 because there's no reasonable way to do it with the 2. Not to mention there's a lot of traffic in the way while trying to get from the 2 up table for even a look at the 3.
 
Bank the one down table, use a little top left English to bring the cue back behind the 3/4
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
In my opinion, any offensive attempt in this scenario will result in an inevitable loss of game. You have to play safe. There are several safeties availabe. My favorite is hiding behind the great-wall of China set-up with the 5 & 8 balls. I figure, my opponent has to see the combination that is about to occur and take the intentional foul, especially with how the 3-ball is tied up.
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I think most pros would just cut the 1 ball in and would be the big favorite to win the game.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
In my opinion, any offensive attempt in this scenario will result in an inevitable loss of game. You have to play safe. There are several safeties availabe. My favorite is hiding behind the great-wall of China set-up with the 5 & 8 balls. I figure, my opponent has to see the combination that is about to occur and take the intentional foul, especially with how the 3-ball is tied up.
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Jude-
I agree with you here. Unless you are proficient at banks, offense is just stupid. And if you are a good banker, you should be playing the one across the table into the 7 at POCKET SPEED!!! Any fast, and the one won't stay in the pocket.

However, I would play defense and the safe I would play would be to thin the one on the right side with a little right english. This would bring the 1 off the side rail and tie it up with the 5-8 (hopefully hiding behind it) and the right would spin the cue off the side rail, down into the foot rail and, with a little luck, tuck it up behind the 6.

That's how I would play it.
 
supergreenman said:
I think I would attempt a safety like this, banking the 1 down to the 2 - 9 side of the table so that even if my opponent hits the 1 (and hopefully dosn't make it anywhere) the play has moved to that end of the table.

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If you play safe on me like that...You can expect either a shot very similar to the one you just had. Or I have even the smallest piece of the 1 to see, I'm shooting the 1-2-9 which means I'm taking the combo out of the game and I might even make the 9. Your safety is the more greedy option to take. On the plus side, shooting the 1-2-9 moves the 2 so getting on the 3 is easier.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Amazingly, as obvious as this one may also seem, I always see competent players mess-up these situations. You have a 2-9 that's wired but a tough situation on the 1-ball. What do you do?

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3AYsm2BMWg4CaRG4DYbn3EMkp1FLFn4GaWG3HGHt2IWCk3PJsU@

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Cut the 1-ball all the way down by the nine. If I make it clean, play the carom into the 9 and send the 2 back uptable. If I make it off of the 9 and move the 9, then I play the safe on the 2 if I don't get a good shot on it.

If I miss the 1, I lose. But it's a pretty easy shot. Especially with the 9-ball gate guiding it in.

Cheers,
RC
 
cheesemouse said:
I would fire the one in the corner by the nine( big pocket with side boards) with low left giving me four rail shape on the 2/9 combo...if I had moved the nine while making the one ball I would have to reavaluate.....so it goes.....:)
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I considered that, but I don't think my better judgment would allow it. I'd have to hit it much harder than pocket-speed to get 4 rails out of whitey, thus making that big pocket a lot smaller. Not to mention that I'd be coming into that bottom left corner shallow enough that a side-pocket scratch would not be out of the question, especially if I overcut the 1 a little. For fun, yeah, but not if the game meant anything.

Aaron
 
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