How would you play this?

frankncali said:
When I look at it I see Stripes having a much better ball position. How many dinks and dunks can I take with Solids that will get me to a position of having better ball positioning than the stripes?

I actually like where the one is at thats why I would choose my second option if its open.
To me the big trouble is that I cant get out unless I move the 3-6 which opens the 11. If I could figure out a way to make those out it would be nice. Thats why with BIH I think going for the break out is best. Most decent to good players will be able to pocket the 4 and either split the gap or hit into the 11.

One thing is for sure... there is not clear cut one shot answer to this one. It could be a series of moves like your talking about.

Maybe later tonight I can set this one up and check it out live. I find that the Cuetable makes things appear much easier.

BTW-- sorry to hear about the other room closing in NY. I imagine rent is terrible for a room there.
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Bear in mind, I'm also right-handed. These balls on the rail pose a REAL problem for me. I'm also VERY confident in my moves-game. I'm simply going to look at stripes, determine where my opponent is going to need the cueball to run out and make sure I don't give him that. In the process, I'm going to carefully begin to move my balls away from that rail.

You can take a look at this shot below. Tell me who is running out from here?

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How about this safety play

Jude Rosenstock said:
It's very simple - this table is not worth running. I can't tell if the 11-ball can be made but even if it can, it doesn't matter. The correct play is to begin rearranging the balls to your liking. I'd begin by moving the 1-ball off the rail. Don't make a move at running out until there is a reasonable chance you will.
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I think you are absolutely right about playing safe....due to the 11B tying up the 3 & 6.

What do you think about this safety?

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Jude Rosenstock said:
Bear in mind, I'm also right-handed. These balls on the rail pose a REAL problem for me. I'm also VERY confident in my moves-game. I'm simply going to look at stripes, determine where my opponent is going to need the cueball to run out and make sure I don't give him that. In the process, I'm going to carefully begin to move my balls away from that rail.

You can take a look at this shot below. Tell me who is running out from here?

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Just don't accidentally bump the 3 and give the 11 room to go up table. :eek:
 
okinawa77 said:
I think you are absolutely right about playing safe....due to the 11B tying up the 3 & 6.

What do you think about this safety?

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That works too. I thought about repositioning the 15ball. That's a good way to do it. Opponent's options would be very limited with no immediate answer for the 11.
 
Cuebacca said:
Just don't accidentally bump the 3 and give the 11 room to go up table. :eek:
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Well, you're going to need a bit of talent to execute my idea. There's not much more I can say about that. Even if I do open it up, I'm still not selling out. There's a TON of work to be done for stripes.
 
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Jude Rosenstock said:
Well, you're going to need a bit of talent to execute my idea. There's not much more I can say about that. Even if I do open it up, I'm still not selling out. There's a TON of work to be done for stripes.
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No sweat. I haven't lost control of whitey yet on the Cuetable. :D

If, say I open it up though and a player of your level is shooting stripes, I'd probably be sweating. The run out's definitely there if you have the table down well and the pockets aren't super tight.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Bear in mind, I'm also right-handed. These balls on the rail pose a REAL problem for me. I'm also VERY confident in my moves-game. I'm simply going to look at stripes, determine where my opponent is going to need the cueball to run out and make sure I don't give him that. In the process, I'm going to carefully begin to move my balls away from that rail.
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That's a nice safety idea, but I'd have to use the ball in hand opportunity to deal with the main problem, the 3-6, especially with the 4 sitting naturally for it and three balls along that rail to get a shot or a safety on.

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Cuebacca said:
Just don't accidentally bump the 3 and give the 11 room to go up table. :eek:
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Shoot, I didn't even notice before, but I think the 11 goes in the lower right pocket. So, while it's no "Cosmo", I think there's an out there unless the 1 lands perfectly. :duck:
 
Patrick Johnson said:
That's a nice safety idea, but I'd have to use the ball in hand opportunity to deal with the main problem, the 3-6, especially with the 4 sitting naturally for it and three balls along that rail to get a shot or a safety on.

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That's exactly what I wanted to do... hit the bottom side of the 11 and things can work out really nicely. Gotta go for the run out here, IMO.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
That's a nice safety idea, but I'd have to use the ball in hand opportunity to deal with the main problem, the 3-6, especially with the 4 sitting naturally for it and three balls along that rail to get a shot or a safety on.

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Although I do think there's a reasonable chance you can get away with this approach, I believe there is a very likely chance you won't open the balls at all. Given the fact you're nearly guaranteed a shot on the 6ball, it might be worth the risk since you can always come up with a new plan after the balls settle. My fear is that if you fail to open the balls and run out, your opponent might have a bank option on the 11. Again, he still has his work cut out for him and if he needs to rely on a bank to run out, I'd say you did your job.
 
Cuebacca said:
That's exactly what I wanted to do... hit the bottom side of the 11 and things can work out really nicely. Gotta go for the run out here, IMO.
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I show a pretty good hit, but it's an almost-stun shot and can be hit very accurately, and it looks like you'd have to miss pretty badly to get nothing out of it. Also, I can't execute Jude's safety as reliably as he can - this shot's more my speed.

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Neil said:
I'm not too fond of where the 8 is sitting. It can go in the side, or the corner. But, the corner only has 1/2 a pocket, so I want to get real good on the 8. I don't know that I can before the breakout because I'm not sure just what I will have. So, more likely than not, I also am going for the safe. I know it was mentioned that the 11 is closer to the rail, but if it is still possible, this is my safe. If I can do this, he has to move the 11 on his shot, clearing up the 6 for me. And unless he can put the 11 blocking the 8, he is toast. I would only have one ball still on a rail.

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I love this shot.
 
okinawa77 said:
I think you are absolutely right about playing safe....due to the 11B tying up the 3 & 6.

What do you think about this safety?

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I'd shoot this safety so it isn't so exacting:

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And I'd also be asking myself "what am I gonna do if the 4 drops?"

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One serious problem

with this is that if your opponent can pocket the four using the 15 combo or a carom you are going to be in even worse trouble than you were to begin with.


Patrick Johnson said:
I'd shoot this safety so it isn't so exacting:

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And I'd also be asking myself "what am I gonna do if the 4 drops?"

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I like neil's safety best, but to be honest I'm shooting here. I feel like a reasonably good player can make a controlled hit on the 4 to send the CB between the 11 and 6, or hit the 11 in the face. Anywhere in that window and you're going to come up with a shot after (you're playing for the CB to gewt on the 1 in the corner or 3 in the side).
 
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