How would you play this

The roll up under the two doesnt look like its sitting right. Lots of bad things that could happen too. You could mishit it and the cueball doesnt nudge the 2 on the way in and you bounce off the rail and hit the 2 and then dont get a rail. You hit the 2 too thick and you dont get under it. You hit the 2 too hard and you dont get under it. To me that super soft shot on a bar table is just asking to get horsefked by table rolling off too.

Id shoot the combo and follow to leave the bank. its true that a good player is likely banking that 15 and getting out but in this situation wouldnt you want to at least try to win from here? the bank imo is as hard as trying that delicate soft roll up.

I see one other possible safety but its not great. Thin off the right side of the 2 and try to move it in front of the side to block the bank. hit the cueball with max inside left and try to kill the cueball on the end rail and leave him only the cross side bank or the super thin cut into the corner. This shot imo is as difficult as the combo so again im shooting the combo.
 
I just read that the OP jumped the ball. I had not considered that option. I guess you were not playing with a heavier bar table coin op ball. If the cueball was just a regular measles or even better the red circle then yeah definitely the jump was a good option. congrats on coming with the tough shot and getting out double hill. Thats a good moments to store in the ol memory bank.
 
Spimp13 said:
People saying play the safe on a table with a roll....GOOD LUCK. Let's see what new made up cuss words you use when you foul after it rolls off.

FTR I like the safe...on a level table.
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The safe I mentioned by leaving the bank wouldnt be too hard to pull off regardless of the roll of the table, especially if you are familiar with the roll.

The roll up on the 2 ball shot is too damn touchy on a perfect table, let alone a janky barbox.

Safety is the right choice here, but not the roll up shot. You are gonna knock that 2 ball out more times then not and leave them a shot on the 15.
 
uwate said:
Id shoot the combo and follow to leave the bank. its true that a good player is likely banking that 15 and getting out but in this situation wouldnt you want to at least try to win from here? the bank imo is as hard as trying that delicate soft roll up.
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The other element that people arent mentioning about the bank is that they still need to get position on the 8 even if they do bank it. Leave them on the shirt side for the bank and they have to go three rails for shape. Leave them on the long side and they have to cross bank it and try to hold the CB. Them making the bank isnt a sure win from there.
 
I can not tell from pic if you have a cut on the 2 to the upper left corner (as pictured), if you do I might have tried that, you probably leave opponent with easy cut or even straight on 15 but depending on table roll and speed of table you have a pretty good chance of blocking the pocket if you miss. I'm assuming this is a Valley, so much of the shot choice comes down to how fast the cloth is, if its shag carpeting I'm definitely going for the combo. If the 2 wont cut to upper left I'm going to combo. I don't jump well so personally I would not jump, more than likely I would have been smiling to see my opponent pulling out jump cue on this shot, jumps with OB on rail usually pretty tough. You must be pretty sporty if you made that jump, at least in my minds eye!!!!
 
I would shoot the two into the one, my intention would be to freeze the cue ball to the rail where the two ball is. Where either the one or two ball might end up blocking a cross corner bank on the 15 while getting the one or two off the rail and into a more playable position. If the cue ball freezes to the rail you leave your opponent with a tough cut on the 15 at the best.
 
Icon of Sin said:
The safe I mentioned by leaving the bank wouldnt be too hard to pull off regardless of the roll of the table, especially if you are familiar with the roll.

The roll up on the 2 ball shot is too damn touchy on a perfect table, let alone a janky barbox.

Safety is the right choice here, but not the roll up shot. You are gonna knock that 2 ball out more times then not and leave them a shot on the 15.
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I think I read the OP stated the player was a good banker, and solid player. If you can leave an awkward bank sure might be worth it if you trust your table speed and 75% of the roll off lol.
 
I suppose you could also play the combo with follow on the cue and pocket speed on the one to block the bank if you miss. But the rollup safes that everyone seems to hate because of the "table roll" still seem like a fairly straightforward shot. The cueball is only rolling about 8". There's only so far "off" it can go in 8". Hard to tell for sure without siting it, but looks like there's enough margin for error to hit the safe without rolling off enough to flub the shot.
 
Icon of Sin said:
Id call the 1 ball and play the 2 -1 combo with follow expecting to miss it and roll the cueball up so he has to bank the 15 and hope he misses it.

Probably the wrong shot...

I would like to say I would shoot the 2 with some low left and hook him behind the 8 but I would probably miss the safe and sell out.
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That's exactly what I was thinking too!
 
A 1 pocket player might bank the 2 ball two rails in the upper right corner pocket and try to hit the 1 ball softly with enough speed that if he misses the 1 ball, the cue ball will be resting on the foot rail.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
A 1 pocket player might bank the 2 ball two rails in the upper right corner pocket and try to hit the 1 ball softly with enough speed that if he misses the 1 ball, the cue ball will be resting on the foot rail.

JoeyA
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I was thinking this as well
 
It seems like I'm the only one, but I would bank the 2 ball to the upper left hand corner. It's a shot that I'm pretty confident with if I'm familiar with the table. Also if I miss I will likely leave the 2 blocking that pocket.
 
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