Hunter v Frost, your stance?

ChrisinNC said:
Everyone has a differering opinions as to morals and integrity in regards to the written rules. For example, in our weekly handicapped tournament I absolutely refuse to ever try to win a game or match by 3-fouling an opponent of the lowest ranking we have, even though it’s certainly within our rules to do so. I’ve seen other high ranked players win matches by doing exactly that against a beginner level player, and they don’t seem to give it a second thought.

Another example would be failing to inform your opponent that they forgot to mark up their game, if you know for a fact that they did forget to.

Or how about seeing that your opponent is about to shoot at the wrong ball in 9-ball, and failing to stop to inform them and then calling them for the foul immediately after they shoot. I recall this being discussed on here recently and I was a bit surprised by how many felt it was wrong to stop them from shooting at the wrong ball.
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We had a vote yay or nay on the three foul rule at our league meeting. I snapped a photo of who had their hands raised and kept receipts. It is with great pleasure to three foul these players who think this obscene rule has any place in league pool.
 
garczar said:
You live in fantasy land?? Without refs 'all ball fouls' is a recipe for disaster. Sorry to burst your bubble pard but your take on human nature is FAR different from the reality i've witnessed over 40yrs of playing.
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Nonsense. Not applying the rules because there is no referee is daft. Human nature is human nature either way.
 
Swighey said:
No it's not so wrong. It's so right. The non-shooting player should always act as referee if nobody else has been appointed to act as referee. The shooting player should also call their own fouls. The non-shooting "referee" should call a foul only if they are sure it's a foul. If they are not sure they have no business even mentioning it. None of this is rocket science and all of it should be a standard feature of a pool playing environment. Whether or not the right decision, by either player and ultimately the referee in this situation, was made doesn't change this.
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Sure play against me and lean over a ball....everytime ill call a foul & I want you to ever refuse giving me ball in hand.

Read this a couple of times and try to digest it, because you will see the issue there.

You as a player will never see or feel you've touched or not, and I on the other hand ill get a ball in hand everytime there's a ball beneath you, its a win-win to me :). Nice rule bro, if you didnt get how wrong it is yet, read the paragraph one more time.

Btw I'm not disputing that this is how people do it, the seated on chair opposite act like a referee, but if something ppl does all the time doesn't automatically make it RIGHT OR CORRECT, you need some critical thinking too sometimes and say no, this is wrong lets change it.
 
Swighey said:
No it's not so wrong. It's so right. The non-shooting player should always act as referee if nobody else has been appointed to act as referee. The shooting player should also call their own fouls. The non-shooting "referee" should call a foul only if they are sure it's a foul. If they are not sure they have no business even mentioning it. None of this is rocket science and all of it should be a standard feature of a pool playing environment. Whether or not the right decision, by either player and ultimately the referee in this situation, was made doesn't change this.
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Lot of shitty people on this planet and I'm not trusting any of them to be truthful until they prove it.
 
smoochie said:
Sure play against me and lean over a ball....everytime ill call a foul & I want you to ever refuse giving me ball in hand.

Read this a couple of times and try to digest it, because you will see the issue there.

You as a player will never see or feel you've touched or not, and I on the other hand ill get a ball in hand everytime there's a ball beneath you, its a win-win to me :). Nice rule bro, if you didnt get how wrong it is yet, read the paragraph one more time.
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You seem to think that because American players can be so dishonest when competing, that the rest of the world is like that.

It's not.
 
smoochie said:
Sure play against me and lean over a ball....everytime ill call a foul & I want you to ever refuse giving me ball in hand.

Read this a couple of times and try to digest it, because you will see the issue there.

You as a player will never see or feel you've touched or not, and I on the other hand ill get a ball in hand everytime there's a ball beneath you, its a win-win to me :). Nice rule bro, if you didnt get how wrong it is yet, read the paragraph one more time.
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"Everytime" won't last very long because you won't be playing for very long in an environment where all ball fouls is played and players are encouraged to be honest. Occasionally players will get way with this but you will have to be the world's best cheat if you continue to call non-fouls.

There is nothing for me to "digest" because there is no issue.
 
ShortBusRuss said:
You seem to think that because American players can be so dishonest when competing, that the rest of the world is like that.

It's not.
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Yes it is....humans in general are selfish & will eat you alive if their life depends on it, be honest with yourself especially in pool match & tournament as big as US Open, you can't say oh this guy will do xxx in good faith and call the right thing, no sir he'll do whatever he can do stay in the tournament especially if he's a failure like Lambardoo lol.
 
Swighey said:
"Everytime" won't last very long because you won't be playing for very long in an environment where all ball fouls is played and players are encouraged to be honest. Occasionally players will get way with this but you will have to be the world's best cheat if you continue to call non-fouls.

There is nothing for me to "digest" because there is no issue.
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Nice diversion.... :) you diverted really nicely away from the point of the issue I showed by saying "Match is short" lmao...what an idiot

Lambardoo lied to advance in the tournament, we will never know if he touched the 6 ball.
 
smoochie said:
Nice diversion.... :) you diverted really nicely away from the point of the issue I showed by saying "Match is short" lmao...what an idiot

Lambardoo lied to advance in the tournament, we will never know if he touched the 6 ball.
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I have played both players, and actually lived in Florida and was around Lumbardo for a few years. I trust Hunter WAY more than I trust Scott. If he said that Scott fouled (which he actually never said), then he fouled.
 
smoochie said:
Nice diversion.... :) you diverted really nicely away from the point of the issue I showed by saying "Match is short" lmao...what an idiot

Lambardoo lied to advance in the tournament, we will never know if he touched the 6 ball.
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No I didn't divert away from your point at all. I addressed it, yet you call me an idiot.
 
ShortBusRuss said:
You seem to think that because American players can be so dishonest when competing, that the rest of the world is like that.

It's not.
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What is your hard-on with the US pal? I wouldn't get out of the electirc chair to go to Germany if it was all-bills-paid. Feel free to enjoy where you live but your constant US hating bullshit is way past old. BTW, if the shit hits the fan and 'ol Olaf is up shit creek guess who he's calling first?
 
ChrisinNC said:
Doesn’t that same option / responsibility to call in a referee apply to the seated opponent?
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I think that's addressed by the sentence before that says "The non-shooting player will perform all of the duties of the referee". So it sounds like best practice is to call over a ref if you might foul, otherwise you're at the mercy of your opponent.

I actually never knew this, but I'll definitely be doing this in the future. This exact situation happened to me at a recent Matchroom event, and I just had to take my opponent's word for it that I touched a ball 🤷‍♂️
 
Swighey said:
No I didn't divert away from your point at all. I addressed it, yet you call me an idiot.
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You didn't address the point. I raised to you a situation where I showed you that its wrong letting your opponent calling out the foul when a ball is touched. I literally told you that ill call a foul everytime you're over a ball.

And your answer was "THE MATCH IS SHORT" thats hardly addressing the issue lol, its still a problem and you earlier said "No its not so wrong, its so right".

Now let me ask you another thing, I told you that ill call a foul each and every single time you're on top a ball and shooting saying that "You've touched the ball" and ill get ball in hand because I was seating in the chair and "A referee" according to you. Now let me ask you, only because this wont happen alot (IN YOUR OPINION) therefore its not a problem?

Then TO YOU whatever doesn't happen often will not be considered as a problem to you, right? I can bring up alot of examples outside of pool that even if they dont happen too often they're still wrong, but ill refrain from this because alot of people will get offended, maybe you'll understand what I meant by yourself without saying it.

Please adress the point now and don't divert by saying the match is short and I cannot call you alot of the times therefore ITS OK TO CALL A FOUL LYING. please address the real point.
 
The_JV said:
Nah... totally doable imo.

All you need are professionals conducting themselves as such.
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The old saying 'good fences make good neighbors' comes to mind. Since we don't live in a perfect world an event of this importance should have a ref at every two tables AT LEAST. Matchroom is dogging it big time in this regard. Ever watch pro tennis?? You think they're gonna play Wimbledon/US Open with players making the calls??? Yeah right.
 
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