Hunter v Frost, your stance?

smoochie said:
You didn't address the point. I raised to you a situation where I showed you that its wrong letting your opponent calling out the foul when a ball is touched. I literally told you that ill call a foul everytime you're over a ball.

And your answer was "THE MATCH IS SHORT" thats hardly addressing the issue lol, its still a problem and you earlier said "No its not so wrong, its so right".

Now let me ask you another thing, I told you that ill call a foul each and every single time you're on top a ball and shooting saying that "You've touched the ball" and ill get ball in hand because I was seating in the chair and "A referee" according to you. Now let me ask you, only because this wont happen alot (IN YOUR OPINION) therefore its not a problem?

Then TO YOU whatever doesn't happen often will not be considered as a problem to you, right? I can bring up alot of examples outside of pool that even if they dont happen too often they're still wrong, but ill refrain from this because alot of people will get offended, maybe you'll understand what I meant by yourself without saying it.

Please adress the point now and don't divert by saying the match is short and I cannot call you alot of the times therefore ITS OK TO CALL A FOUL LYING. please address the real point.
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I note that you keep hammering "THE MATCH IS SHORT" thing, while completely ignoring his absolutely true statement that you're likely to get yourself banned from all the events if you actually tried it in a real event. And I can see a referee giving your opponent the match the 3rd or 4th time you tried it.
 
garczar said:
The old saying 'good fences make good neighbors' comes to mind. Since we don't live in a perfect world an event of this importance should have a ref at every two tables AT LEAST. Matchroom is dogging it big time in this regard. Ever watch pro tennis?? You think they're gonna play Wimbledon/US Open with players making the calls??? Yeah right.
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Yep... big tennis fan actually

A ref at every group of 4 tables is more than enough. They just need to be utilized correctly by the players
 
The_JV said:
Ah gotcha... I was standing there and your comments didn't align with my memory
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ShortBusRuss said:
I note that you keep hammering "THE MATCH IS SHORT" thing, while completely ignoring his absolutely true statement that you're likely to get yourself banned from all the events if you actually tried it in a real event. And I can see a referee giving your opponent the match the 3rd or 4th time you tried it.
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How can I be banned? why do you people just assert stuff hahaha, how would anyone call me lying and get me banned, there's no evidence no cameras I'm the refereee remember????????
 
smoochie said:
How can I be banned? why do you people just assert stuff hahaha, how would anyone call me lying and get me banned, there's no evidence no cameras I'm the refereee remember????????
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Well, fortunately, I don't think we are gonna have much chance of ever seeing it live, as you actually have to win matches to make it far enough to actually play him.
 
ShortBusRuss said:
I have played both players, and actually lived in Florida and was around Lumbardo for a few years. I trust Hunter WAY more than I trust Scott. If he said that Scott fouled (which he actually never said), then he fouled.
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Weren't you also at the Derby when the Dippy Dave/Scott garbage went down?
 
u12armresl said:
Weren't you also at the Derby when the Dippy Dave/Scott garbage went down?
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Prolly? I dunno if I was around when it happened, though.

I went and looked it up in the forum, and well... Let's just say that my personal experience with Frost? Makes me think that there was prolly some shadiness going on his side, in one way or another. I personally would never gamble with Scott, even if I had the money, as it would not be worth the hassle.

That billychips story was EPIC, though....

*EDIT* What I DO know is... Even with what I said above, if Scott offered me 19-4, I would swim a river of sh*t to play that game, given that the 3 games I played him at Derby, I was leading 5-0, 6-0 the first two, and he was playing out of his mind good at the time. If he could beat me that way, well... He'd have to prove it.
 
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There is a lot not to like IMO.
First: Why does Frost tuck his shirt in after he gets down on the shot? Did he touch the 6 then?
Second: Hunter is @8 feet away at an angle of greater than 90degrees to the short rail. A better view would be at a much lesser angle.
Third: Why did a spectator volunteer his opinion? He was 2 rows back and 15 feet away at the same angle as Hunter.
Fouth: If it was such an issue, why didn't they both agree to have a Ref nearby after Frosts first shirt tuck-in? Hunter calls the touch just before Frosts last draw.
Interesting anyhoo
 
the other player performs as the ref when there is none available.
its up to him to call a foul.

however ,,,
he does not have the power to enforce it, if there is a dispute over the call.
that is the job of a real ref.
 
Scott is a great player, no great player likes to lose. It's as simple as that. He went out of his way a couple of times to be nice to me when I was living in Phoenix, while several other players you all know, tried to be my new best friend after they watched me play , then once they found out I didn't gamble , they never even replied, when I said hello.
He did the right thing, why not give him the benefit of the doubt, instead of thinking bad of him or anyone.
He was very nice to me when I was playing in Phoenix for about 4 years , and there was absolutely no reason for him to be, other than he chose to.
 
garczar said:
You live in fantasy land?? Without refs 'all ball fouls' is a recipe for disaster. Sorry to burst your bubble pard but your take on human nature is FAR different from the reality i've witnessed over 40yrs of plaplaying
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There's no way this guy ever bet a dollar on pool.

How does a player know when his shirt drapes over a ball?

For that matter it's evident Hunter couldn't see the ball either because he's behind Scott. A spectator in his crew called it.
 
Swighey said:
No it's not so wrong. It's so right. The non-shooting player should always act as referee if nobody else has been appointed to act as referee. The shooting player should also call their own fouls. The non-shooting "referee" should call a foul only if they are sure it's a foul. If they are not sure they have no business even mentioning it. None of this is rocket science and all of it should be a standard feature of a pool playing environment. Whether or not the right decision, by either player and ultimately the referee in this situation, was made doesn't change this.
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Yeah.. pool really is dead in the US.

Do you give yourself a hand's width off the rail with the cueball when it's a tough shot?
 
ShortBusRuss said:
I have played both players, and actually lived in Florida and was around Lumbardo for a few years. I trust Hunter WAY more than I trust Scott. If he said that Scott fouled (which he actually never said), then he fouled.
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Shorty making pool a popularity contest.

Go to FB and see how popular your never won anything in 1,000 tournaments player is now. Probably going to get Dechained over this.
 
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Scott took it well. Being a player commentator probably helped. I hope he gets Matchroom to see how ridiculous those call is. It's a real shame because American pool figured this out decades ago.
 
SBC said:
Scott took it well. Being a player commentator probably helped. I hope he gets Matchroom to see how ridiculous those call is. It's a real shame because American pool figured this out decades ago.
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Also helped that he had zero chance to actually win the event.
 
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