I’ve never been banned from a forum until yesterday

Sweatin' said:
I'm curious, JB.

Why do you think there are so many JB haters out there? You've mentioned it two or three times already in this thread alone. After all, you really do build the best case in the industry. Seriously.

It takes a lot of energy, all of it negative energy, to hate. I personally couldn't imagine going to the trouble without sufficient provocation. But that's just me, and perhaps I rely too much on logic.
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Well from my perspective it is because I don't sugarcoat anything and although I start out fairly civil the moment someone starts getting personal I can get pretty snarky.

I don't really hate anyone with the exception of a very few people that I would literally throw a party and celebrate if they died, the more horribly and painfully the better. Other than those few people I try to get along with most people and try to have civil discussions on any topic.

But I will not bow to anyone and be a "good little boy" just to appease them. That's what the main issue is as I see it. They have this mentality that if they wave money at me I will not challenge their assertions and beliefs when I see them post something that I feel deserves to be discussed. So inevitably they start playing cards, the boycott card, the politics card, the China card, etc..... Whatever personal insult they think they can use they try it.

So the way I see it I am easy to hate because I seem to be incapable of letting bs slide.

Or it could be that I just love being an asshole to some people. Maybe that is my luxury that I bought my freedom for.

I will say this....I have had many "haters" become customers and friends once they actually have taken the time to really talk to and get to know me.



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Type79 said:
And if they get a favorable nod, they are given the words and phrase to recite while they genuflect?

Refresh my memory, we are talking about billiards forums?
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Generally not but if we feel like it then we might require a certain type of contrition. Refresh my memory but are we talking about your forum or mine? Because at my forum it is running the way my team wants it to run. On your forum you can do whatever you want and make your own rules. But since your forum is set up to be very specific it is a certainty that you don't deal with even a tiny fraction of the drama, rules breaking, and flame wars that we deal with each day.

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BmoreMoney said:
JB, this really is no big deal to me. After reading this thread, apparently you javelin a lot more mods than I am aware of. I'm not on there that often and I only remembering seeing two or three ( I guess they were the most active ones ??? Dunno ). The reason I said everyone had to know is because with the activity on that thread and with the huge voli,email of posts it stayed at the top for at least a whole day of I'd think so that leads me to believe most everyone was aware - not to mention the ones that posted in it. As I said in my earlier post " my best recollection " so even if a few things may be a little off some guy did in fact get sent meat and got re-ripped off for two cues to make up for him initiallyscrewing the first guy - that's all I'm saying. Also, I do not want to see anything come of this as I said, only reason I even said anything is because the whole story was up there front and center for so long I did not believe anyone cared in the slightest .
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Well just to be clear. The meat incident was not done on obm, was not condoned by obm, was not helped by any moderator at obm. We didn't plan it or help to carry out any part of it in any way.

It was discussed on obm after it was done. That is all.

The person who sent the meat might chime in here to set the story straight. Fwiw it was a harmless act of retribution that allowed someone to get part of what was stolen from them back. I find it amusing that there are so many tough guys on here who advocate confronting thieves in person but when someone manages to actual give a thief a lesson suddenly that person is the bad guy and the thief becomes the victim. Pretty fickle.

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9Ballr said:
Same here. Not on your case selection but refusing to spend my money on him.
I also don't like that the people who do the tooling get to stamp their names on the cases.
I'm fine with it saying JB Cases but to have the name of the person who did the work is something I don't like.

Plus why would I want my name all over You Tube just because I order a case.
He's been giving out names and whoever orders a case unknowingly/unwillingly goes on
You Tube in his self promoting videos.

Not a fat chance.

I recently needed a new case and was very happy to spend my money elsewhere and got unbelievable craftsmanship
every bit of which was MADE RIGHT HERE IN THE USA.
All of it. Nothing exported or imported.
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What? Are you high? My customers request that I show off their case on the weekly videos. They love to see them profiled. If anyone ever asked me not to then I wouldn't do it.

As for your rant that my toolers are "allowed" to sign their work... So what? They can choose to if they want to and when they do it is very small and does not detract from the design. I find it to be incredibly classless that you would not want an artist to sign the work that he or she did. Also no one stamps their name on my case, the name is signed if they feel like signing the work. Most of the time they don't.

You got a case you wanted made by someone else, great. I am sure they are very happy to know that you won't be telling anyone who made it. I told you before that if you told me not to mention your name then I wouldn't do it. In fact nothing would stop you from ordering a case under a fake name if you're that worried about it. So enough with bs nonsense.

The lengths you people will go to in order to knock is astounding. And just an FYI, videos I make promoting our cases are self-serving because that it what advertising and marketing is intended for.



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Nick B said:
JB what happened? Did your favorite Doctor or Pharmacist run out of your meds? Nobody and I mean NOBODY here is a more knowledgeable on being banned than yourself...maybe with the exception of the late Fast Larry. Now that he's gone your are the Undisputed World Champion.
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And, thus I have the experience to know when to shut up when challenging a moderator.

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BmoreMoney said:
JB, this really is no big deal to me. After reading this thread, apparently you javelin a lot more mods than I am aware of. I'm not on there that often and I only remembering seeing two or three ( I guess they were the most active ones ??? Dunno ). The reason I said everyone had to know is because with the activity on that thread and with the huge voli,email of posts it stayed at the top for at least a whole day of I'd think so that leads me to believe most everyone was aware - not to mention the ones that posted in it. As I said in my earlier post " my best recollection " so even if a few things may be a little off some guy did in fact get sent meat and got re-ripped off for two cues to make up for him initiallyscrewing the first guy - that's all I'm saying. Also, I do not want to see anything come of this as I said, only reason I even said anything is because the whole story was up there front and center for so long I did not believe anyone cared in the slightest .
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Also don't know what javelin more mods means. We have had exactly two moderators quit voluntarily in three years.

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Arounceville said:
I never said that Stephen requesting that wouldn’t be an effective way of seeing if chuck bates doctored some private messages

I said that the request is an overstep of authority
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How is it an overstep of authority? If I could prove my side of a story by simply showing an original unalterable message or chat to someone, I'd be happy to do so. And if there was some reason I couldn't share my screen for privacy reasons, I'd decline to do so. End of story.

You are coming across like an old grandpa who doesn't understand the difference between screen sharing (view only) and giving up control, versus easily editable and fakeable chats and screenshots.

If you can suggest a better way, for people who live at distance, to "prove" something than a view-only screen share, enlighten the world.
 
Sweatin' said:
I'm curious, JB.

Why do you think there are so many JB haters out there? You've mentioned it two or three times already in this thread alone. After all, you really do build the best case in the industry. Seriously.

It takes a lot of energy, all of it negative energy, to hate. I personally couldn't imagine going to the trouble without sufficient provocation. But that's just me, and perhaps I rely too much on logic.
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JB Cases said:
I don't really hate anyone with the exception of a very few people that I would literally throw a party and celebrate if they died, the more horribly and painfully the better.
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Buried in your response was the real answer.

Over years and years of reading your posts, people have been able to see through the endless onslaught of words, excuses, and rationalizations to see that -- at your very core -- you are simply not a good person.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Buried in your response was the real answer.

Over years and years of reading your posts, people have been able to see through the endless onslaught of words, excuses, and rationalizations to see that -- at your very core -- you are simply not a good person.

Lou Figueroa
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Nonsense. I am a very good person. You have been a viscous internet troll for the entire 20 years that I have seen you operating.

I can pick out several instances where you stood up for me. Those were times when we were not at odds, or better said when I was not challenging your comments and attacks on others.

You and I sat down at Derby City in Louisville and had a nice conversation where we parted as friends. For many years we did not conflict on any forum until you came to azb and decided to start attacking people for trying to teach and learn some aiming systems. When I good naturedly teased you over it you took offense and went off again on me.

Then after our big grudge match you agreed to be peaceful and then broke that pledge a week later.

You have lied about me, you have defamed me, you have made racially charged remarks about my employees.

All of it because we don't agree about how to aim in pool. This is all part of the record for anyone who would ever want to go back to the beginning and follow it.

The fact is that this is pretty much the last forum you can exist on because you get ripped apart anywhere else. Even on one pocket.org you were banned because you cannot be nice.

You have out right lied about other people as well. Your stories are often exaggerated or complete lies. This is why there are many people who relish your appearance on any social media platform where they won't be banned for telling you how they feel about you in the harshest language possible.

I, on the other hand am not banned from any forum and am welcome at all of them. I provide a lot of helpful advice an material support in the billiard industry, both publicly and privately. I have never had to compromise my values or invent bs stories such as you have done to create credibility for yourself.

So on net, of the two of us, I am the one who has been the same person throughout, with same values, been just as outspoken on the same topics and been very nice and occasionally a dick in conversation throughout my entire 25 years in these forums.

You on the other hand have been a raging jerk while you were on rsb, and you have only slightly tempered it so that you don't get banned here. Still here you have gone out of your way to defame myself and others. You act one way when you are face to face and then act like a brat once safely behind your keyboard.

If I didn't exist the record would still show all that about you. I simply an one person who chose to never allow you to bully me without push back.

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And yes having a small list of people of whom I would only feel joy at their demise is a character flaw. I am generally very forgiving and try very hard not to hold grudges. But a few people have been very diligent at making sure my distaste for them never goes away. Those people are wastes of oxygen and their only benefit to the Earth is the nutrients their lifeless bodies would provide to nature.

I accept that this is not a good way to think. But I like to think that enjoying a good fantasy where I imagine their death is therapeutic and allows me to bury them and move on to more positive things.

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JB Cases said:
And yes having a small list of people of whom I would only feel joy at their demise is a character flaw. I am generally very forgiving and try very hard not to hold grudges. But a few people have been very diligent at making sure my distaste for them never goes away. Those people are wastes of oxygen and their only benefit to the Earth is the nutrients their lifeless bodies would provide to nature.

I accept that this is not a good way to think. But I like to think that enjoying a good fantasy where I imagine their death is therapeutic and allows me to bury them and move on to more positive things.

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There are people in this world that I don't want in my home....
...and I believe in capital punishment for certain crimes...
...but I hope I never express joy at someone's demise.

Clean that out of your system, John...you will be a lot more free.
 
JB Cases said:
Nonsense. I am a very good person. You have been a viscous internet troll for the entire 20 years that I have seen you operating.

I can pick out several instances where you stood up for me. Those were times when we were not at odds, or better said when I was not challenging your comments and attacks on others.

You and I sat down at Derby City in Louisville and had a nice conversation where we parted as friends. For many years we did not conflict on any forum until you came to azb and decided to start attacking people for trying to teach and learn some aiming systems. When I good naturedly teased you over it you took offense and went off again on me.

Then after our big grudge match you agreed to be peaceful and then broke that pledge a week later.

You have lied about me, you have defamed me, you have made racially charged remarks about my employees.

All of it because we don't agree about how to aim in pool. This is all part of the record for anyone who would ever want to go back to the beginning and follow it.

The fact is that this is pretty much the last forum you can exist on because you get ripped apart anywhere else. Even on one pocket.org you were banned because you cannot be nice.

You have out right lied about other people as well. Your stories are often exaggerated or complete lies. This is why there are many people who relish your appearance on any social media platform where they won't be banned for telling you how they feel about you in the harshest language possible.

I, on the other hand am not banned from any forum and am welcome at all of them. I provide a lot of helpful advice an material support in the billiard industry, both publicly and privately. I have never had to compromise my values or invent bs stories such as you have done to create credibility for yourself.

So on net, of the two of us, I am the one who has been the same person throughout, with same values, been just as outspoken on the same topics and been very nice and occasionally a dick in conversation throughout my entire 25 years in these forums.

You on the other hand have been a raging jerk while you were on rsb, and you have only slightly tempered it so that you don't get banned here. Still here you have gone out of your way to defame myself and others. You act one way when you are face to face and then act like a brat once safely behind your keyboard.

If I didn't exist the record would still show all that about you. I simply an one person who chose to never allow you to bully me without push back.

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lol, always the endless onslaught of words, excuses, and rationalizations. But really, you've got to be the only guy in the history of pool forums to have said what you just said:

"I don't really hate anyone with the exception of a very few people that I would literally throw a party and celebrate if they died, the more horribly and painfully the better."
John Barton

If this is where you're now at, after 20 years on the pool forums, it's been a long sad slide for you, John. I guess my backer was right when he said right before my $10K match with you, "This isn’t about the money. I don’t care about the money. This is about good defeating evil. Light vs dark. You gotta win for all that’s right in the world and put John Barton down.”

In hindsight, he nailed it... and you.

Lou Figueroa
 
Arounceville said:
So a new and interesting development has taken place I was banned from the open billiards market on Facebook ( I’ve never been banned from any forum)
The story : a random hobbyist cue maker appears to have been involved in a shady deal ( most likely the cue maker is the one at fault from my understanding of the situation )
One of the administrators of the open billiards market has launched his own investigation into the deal . (The deal was not affiliated with the open billiards market and transpired 2 years ago if that matters ) the OBM administrator doubts the veracity of some screen shots between the cue maker, the customer and him self
His solution to this problem is that the cue maker should allow him ( Facebook forum administrator)to remotely connect to his computer so that he can get to the bottom of this.
This is where i get involved in the thread and express that requesting that Chuck Bates give any sort of access to his computer is a significant overstep of his authority.
Myself and the administrator has a fairly civil debate about this and a little bit later a couple other people express a similar opinion as mine, at that point the administrator removes all of my comments from the thread and shortly after that bans me from the group
After some more back and forth messaging with him myself and the owner of the group I’m told that if I want allowed back in the groups I need to apologized buy texting him some non sense about “playing Stupid games win stupid prizes”
So my take on this is that his response to being questioned about overstepped his authority is to again overstep his authority ( ban me) and then insist on a special apology if I want back in.

I didn’t break any rules
His behavior in our private messages is almost child like
John Bartons response is to apologize to me for his administrators behavior but say that he cant fix this because he can’t afford the lose this guy as an administrator
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That's Like Clark Smith owner of Malarkey's pool and brew in Tacoma WA not firing the cook that stole a 45 dollar Clear Mako bridge from me that I got in Las Vegas before Kamui changed the name to Vue bridge and stamped Kamui on it! The bullshit drunk owner stated " I can't fire him I don't have anybody to work!" I was blown away! 2 weeks later the bartender disrespected me while I was ordering a burger, walked away for over 10 minutes to clean up and talk with other people while I stood there, with same bullshit drunk owner sitting there watching this happen! I expressed my concern and told them I would never be back! The owner text me trying to fight me! I heard that he got special permission for minors to play a tourney and while they were there he got drunk and almost got into a fight with a customer in his own bar! Number 1 it's against the law holding a Mass 12 license can't drink in your own place while working! He has a drunk GF that stands at the front of the bar yelling and arguing in front of customers making a fool of themselves! Horrible people will always be horrible people!


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lfigueroa said:
lol, always the endless onslaught of words, excuses, and rationalizations. But really, you've got to be the only guy in the history of pool forums to have said what you just said:

"I don't really hate anyone with the exception of a very few people that I would literally throw a party and celebrate if they died, the more horribly and painfully the better."
John Barton

If this is where you're now at, after 20 years on the pool forums, it's been a long sad slide for you, John. I guess my backer was right when he said right before my $10K match with you, "This isn’t about the money. I don’t care about the money. This is about good defeating evil. Light vs dark. You gotta win for all that’s right in the world and put John Barton down.”

In hindsight, he nailed it... and you.

Lou Figueroa
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Lol, good and evil? Your "backer" is as much of a liar as you are.

I am sure that you think I am talking about you. But I am not. Despite everything awful that you are I don't hate you like that. I think you're miserable and have zero heart. The fact that so many other people know you to be a fraud is enough for me.

As much as you been a vile troll you haven't made my list of the worst.


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HUKIT said:
JB actually has a Google group devoted to his madness, Lol. They may or may not have been an incident involving a goat...

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/the-truth-behind-john-barton--jb-cases

I own and operate a firearms store here in Crystal Lake and I can assure you I’d have zero business if I was remotely acted the way he does.
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The goat stories are absolutely true. It was a strange mushroom-filled part of my life.... Not proud of it but I really thought the goats were consenting.

And with that you can imagine why I feel that some people are absolute wastes of oxygen.

Any idiot who believes anything at that group is probably only good for medical research in my opinion. But at least my hater fans cared enough to spend the time creating a group dedicated only to the object of their affection.

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HUKIT said:
JB actually has a Google group devoted to his madness, Lol. They may or may not have been an incident involving a goat...

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/the-truth-behind-john-barton--jb-cases

I own and operate a firearms store here in Crystal Lake and I can assure you I’d have zero business if I was remotely acted the way he does.
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Well yeah because I am pretty liberal and demographically gun stores have mostly conservative customers. I happen to be an nra member though so if you acted like me and I lived near you I would not abandon you for being true to your values.

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