I could beat Efren.

Harvywallbanger

Harvywallbanger

Josh Eisert
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Did you guys know that if I never got out of line and never missed a ball that Efren isn't supposed to beat me. No its true. I mean if other guys can use this analogy why can't I?:rolleyes:
Just yesterday I had a guy tell me that if he plays like he's supposed to that I shouldn't beat him. Don't you just love these guys! I didn't make a big deal out of it. Everytime I beat him it's because he was playing bad. If he beats me it's because he was playing like he was supposed to.:) Go figure.
 
Hell...better yet I think I will start saying I know for a fact I could beat Efren in a race to 5 if I'm playing like I'm supposed to. I mean just the other week I put up my first 5 pack so if I'm playing like I'm supposed to I can beat any player in the world a race to 5.:) Man I wonder why I haven't looked at it this way before. I am the best player in the world if its a race to 5....................if I'm playing like I'm supposed to.;)
 
it's a bad dispute w ur friend..he sounds like a loser but what has this gotta do w Efren?
u could tell ur friend that if he thinks he's so damn gd on normal days then ask when's his best day n trash his ass on that very day!
 
Because he will just say he wasn't playing like he was supposed to. He also says he just can't play well against me. He could play a guy and brag about how good he was playing then get on the table with me, miss one shot, I run out and it's because he was supposed to make that ball. Which maybe true but I'm tired of hearing it. If I miss a shot I'm supposed to make and he runs out he won because he's playing like he's supposed to.:)
 
Harvywallbanger said:
Because he will just say he wasn't playing like he was supposed to. He also says he just can't play well against me. He could play a guy and brag about how good he was playing then get on the table with me, miss one shot, I run out and it's because he was supposed to make that ball. Which maybe true but I'm tired of hearing it. If I miss a shot I'm supposed to make and he runs out he won because he's playing like he's supposed to.:)
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tell him nicely that he's actually quite a bragging person n it ain't nice for him to lose yet blame on his bad performance..a loss is a loss no matter how hard u tried :)
 
I've only had one guy wsho is abetter player than I am tell me that I beat him fair and square and that he respects that. Everyone else has some kind of excuse. It's part of the deal with this game and I wouldnt let it bother you. The bottom line is you beat him. I beat the best player in the room the other night. I was shooting my best and he was obviously off his game. All I heard all night was about his drinking all weekend and his headache. The way I figure it is I still had to be going some to beat him because he wasn't playing THAT badly. There is something about pool that makes it hard to lose with grace especially if you are "supposed" to beat the other guy.
 
Efren, Efren, Efren, I hear about his greatness all the time. One thing for sure I WOULD BET MONEY ON IS. Efren's day will come when another Player will kill his Thunder when that other Player become the NEXT GREAT POOL PLAYER, and Efren is no longer KING...
 
you are absolutely right

You are absolutely right. However few have played at the level he has for the length of time. Those that have are still remembered. I doubt that you will quit hearing about Efren in your lifetime. Even when players surpass him in the future they will have to acknowledge that they didn't take down Efren in his prime. Even he acknowledges that his game is down now and it may be years before someone can demonstrate that they are better than him. He is still the best in the world on a given day, many believe on any day.

Hu


PoolSleuth said:
Efren, Efren, Efren, I hear about his greatness all the time. One thing for sure I WOULD BET MONEY ON IS. Efren's day will come when another Player will kill his Thunder when that other Player become the NEXT GREAT POOL PLAYER, and Efren is no longer KING...
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ShootingArts said:
You are absolutely right. However few have played at the level he has for the length of time. Those that have are still remembered. I doubt that you will quit hearing about Efren in your lifetime.
Hu
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Or Hoppie, Mosconi, etc., etc., etc., etc.

Like Baseball where we still hear of Mantle, Mays, Ruth, Cobb, etc, etc., etc., etc., etc. ;)
 
Mosconi was THE MAN

I played pretty fair pool when I was a kid, winning at will in the bars even though some pretty tough competition strayed through them now and then. Then I watched Mosconi on TV when he was on. My cue ball control which I thought was decent before that day went up tenfold after Willie showed me what was possible.

Hu


PoolSleuth said:
Or Hoppie, Mosconi, etc., etc., etc., etc.

Like Baseball where we still hear of Mantle, Mays, Ruth, Cobb, etc, etc., etc., etc., etc. ;)
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I was wondering how long before people universally accepted that Willie Mosconi was no longer the best player in the world?
 
Most people acknowledged he was no longer the best in '93

Most people accepted that he was no longer the best in this world in 1993. I suspect he can give most of the place a big spot wherever he landed though!

Hu


Cameron Smith said:
I was wondering how long before people universally accepted that Willie Mosconi was no longer the best player in the world?
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Rob220 said:
There is something about pool that makes it hard to lose with grace especially if you are "supposed" to beat the other guy.
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What it is is the variability of the game. I don't know many games, if any, where a given player's A game and D game vary to such an extent.

Furthermore, missing a ball, hooking yourself, etc. are all very glaring and immediate mistakes. And everybody does it. Everybody.

The belief that your game is your A game (and it's your C game that counts in the long run), and everything else happens when you're "not on your game" is just another defense mechanism.

It's best to develop an ethic where you always assume less about your game than you normally would. And to understand that your D game is just as much "your game" as your A game is.

That way you can go past the frustration and understand that pool can't be mastered (unless you're Souquet in the finals of the 2006 DCC :D) .
 
I think the top level in this game is how well you do when you are struggling. Efren can still beat any one in the world playing even when he's struggling. The man is timeless. You can say blah blah about Buddy Hall in the 70's and 80's or the same with Mike Sigel, but right about now they have no chance to beat Efren, and they are in the same age range. Efren barely lost to Ralph Souquet two days ago, and Ralph was playing just about perfect. Efren was playing about 60% of his game. And by the way, anyone who thinks Efren falls apart when he is behind has no clue. Just go watch TCOM when he played Earl. See what he does when he is about 20 racks behind. Also, anyone who thinks Efren doesn't count because he doesn't gamble on his own money, go watch him in a game of chess or backgammon. He will bet his own money whenever he can. The problem is that thousands of people want to back him in any and every thing he does. Efren is a natural and born gambler, and don't you dare try to take that away from him.
 
Grady has a great way of looking at this issue. When your making a game, be sure to under estimate your game by about 2 balls. The reason being I think is our EGO sais....I ran 100 balls a few times in the last 15 years...I should do it every time out!...or in this case....If I'm playing my best I should beat this guy.

There's nothing worse than over estimating your game on any given day, making a game, and realizing your at about 75% of your normal "speed".

Gerry
 
cuetechasaurus said:
I think the top level in this game is how well you do when you are struggling. Efren can still beat any one in the world playing even when he's struggling. The man is timeless. You can say blah blah about Buddy Hall in the 70's and 80's or the same with Mike Sigel, but right about now they have no chance to beat Efren, and they are in the same age range. Efren barely lost to Ralph Souquet two days ago, and Ralph was playing just about perfect. Efren was playing about 60% of his game. And by the way, anyone who thinks Efren falls apart when he is behind has no clue. Just go watch TCOM when he played Earl. See what he does when he is about 20 racks behind. Also, anyone who thinks Efren doesn't count because he doesn't gamble on his own money, go watch him in a game of chess or backgammon. He will bet his own money whenever he can. The problem is that thousands of people want to back him in any and every thing he does. Efren is a natural and born gambler, and don't you dare try to take that away from him.
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You are right on the money on this one. Some of these people have no clue what they are witnessing. I guess it is American pride which I am cool with but they are witnessing the Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods of pool. 9 ball is Efrens worst game and when somebody finally beats him in a double hill match they tell you Efren is done and washed up. It makes me laugh. Do they realize Cliff Joyner is the 2nd to 3rd best 1 pocket player in the WORLD depending on where you want to put Jose and Efren gives Cliff 2 balls and ROBS him. Nobody can beat him in a long race in 8 ball PERIOD. NOBODY can beat him in 15 ball rotation. You hear all the time that so and so can beat Efren, than why don't they play him. Do you think Efren is going to turn down an even game when he has to give huge spots most of the time. By the way for some of the clueless out there, Efren has an open invitation, he will give ANYBODY in the WORLD the 7 ball if Bustamante can break for him. It is like when you hear how Lebron James is going to be better than Jordan. JORDAN was the best offensive and defensive player when he played. Wake up people and realize you are watching a once in a lifetime player.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
...And by the way, anyone who thinks Efren falls apart when he is behind has no clue. Just go watch TCOM when he played Earl. See what he does when he is about 20 racks behind...
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Just ask Allan Hopkins. He had Efren down 10-1 in a race to 11 and lost... in an alternate break format!!!

I overheard someone ask Efren what happened and he said something like "He just didn't want to win", talking about Hopkins again.

That's a mighty big choke if you ask me. And no, I don't think he threw it, why would you get to 10 if you're gonna throw it?

Alex
 
Gerry said:
Grady has a great way of looking at this issue. When your making a game, be sure to under estimate your game by about 2 balls. The reason being I think is our EGO sais....I ran 100 balls a few times in the last 15 years...I should do it every time out!...or in this case....If I'm playing my best I should beat this guy.

There's nothing worse than over estimating your game on any given day, making a game, and realizing your at about 75% of your normal "speed".

Gerry
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I'm gonna remember that. This is a good lesson to most everyone I come accross.
 
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