I don't own a poolroom but if I did...

Texas Prez

Hook'em...Enough Said
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So I am curious, I want to know what true owners think of this and maybe my imput can help as feedback...who knows?

What it takes to build a modern successful poolroom:

1. Money. - investment is needed to get proper image
2. Money. - ok and now is where it changes from every other bloke

- I think a pool table need to be segmented. That is, there needs to be an area for the bar, an area for high stakes play, an area for food, and an area for pool. This doesn't necessarily mean that a place needs to be 50 different rooms, but a big building that feels small, yet not clustered would be ideal. Plus if a customer has more area to roam around and discover, it makes the place more interesting, a warehouse style place can be entirely seen from the front door; not interesting.

- A new pool room, and remodeled ones need to invest in a place as if it were a sports bar. The place needs a spot with tv's where people can watch the game. You don't need TVs everywhere, just a bunch of them in one spot. You creat a sports bar in your poolroom, you get the business of both a sports bar and the poolroom.

- A place needs to invest in professional looking pooltables.... new rooms need to break away from old stereotypes....go with blue felt and not green...make your tables look like a tournament set-up

- Let there be light....new rooms should be well lit...not florecent like an office, but with various incandecent lighting you need to make the place feel safe and comfortable...again, away from the stereotypes of old.

- Seating. Americans are lazy and do not want to stand and they want to be comfortable. Lots of seating, preferably stationary so it can't be rearranged would be key to get obese America to play pool in a room.

- Re-invent the backroom. Don't call it a high stakes area or anything, but have a place where matches can go down. Make these tables and the setting immaculate. Remember, one player spending 100 dollars is just as good as the ten in the regular room paying 10 dollars each.

- Cater to pokerplayers too....create a poker room that is just as nice and comfortable...you want high stakes spenders...give them a high roller environment.

- Host tournaments...often! Have APA, BCA, TAP...and any other leagues and tournaments at your place. If the well known players play at your room, then others will hear about it.

- Have specials often...you must compete with bars on alcohol prices...let your bar have the best deals and they will come.


I understand this ideal poolroom is impossible right now in these economic times...but, if it were, does this sound right?

Maybe if I win the lottery...
 
If I won the lottery that is the first thing I would do other than jumping up and down screaming and then going into work, walking into the supervisors offices, lighting a 1000 roll of black cats and then saying I quit.

I'd love to own one and have a little insight into it since I worked in one for awhile so I could play for free. Hate to say it, but I probably wouldn't sell liquor in there and if I did it would be a max 4 drink.
 
Magoo's

We got what you're talking about right here in Tulsa, Ok. Or at least somewhat close. That's probably why Mr. Buddy Hall decided to become the house pro here just recently. The only thing is, at the card tables, they play GIN and dominoes, instead of poker. The gambling tables are the 'golf' table in the corner, and the front two tables (triple shimmed) where everyone can see.

The drink specials are plentiful, and there is even two huge projector screens available to watch the most dominant college 'football' team in history - as well as randomly placed TV's highly elevated and out of the way set at a comfortable volume so that players are not bothered by them, but if need be, are close enough so they can be stared at with the purpose of jarring your opponent.

There is even a dance floor at the front with karoaoke night on Tues and a live band on Fri and Sat. I feel lucky to have owners as delightful as Jim and Laura McDermott with the experience they have and the events they are able to attract. Camel Pro tour, IPT qualifiers, Midwest 9-ball tour, WPA, NCS, qualifiers.... pool players heaven.

Gabe Owen.. Shane McMinn (last year's winner and this year's runner up of the Shooter's 10-ball ring game) James Walden. Danny Harriman...Fat Randy Wallace...Brian Jones... Wanna be play pool? Come to T-Town and play. Pool is not once what it was here, but it'll be back.
 
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To OP,

Canvas the rooms in your area and make note of the similiar features/specials they offer.

DO THE OPPOSITE.
 
deadgearplyr said:
and there is even two huge projector screens available to watch the most dominant college team in history

I woulda never guessed that you folks were UCLA basketball fans...:shrug:
 
Texas Prez said:
So I am curious, I want to know what true owners think of this and maybe my imput can help as feedback...who knows?

What it takes to build a modern successful poolroom:

1. Money. - investment is needed to get proper image
2. Money. - ok and now is where it changes from every other bloke

- I think a pool table need to be segmented. That is, there needs to be an area for the bar, an area for high stakes play, an area for food, and an area for pool. This doesn't necessarily mean that a place needs to be 50 different rooms, but a big building that feels small, yet not clustered would be ideal. Plus if a customer has more area to roam around and discover, it makes the place more interesting, a warehouse style place can be entirely seen from the front door; not interesting.
D&B's has already done this, except for the high stakes play. TABC finds out you are running a gambling house and they will shut you down. Open a pool room with a full bar, 'cause you ain't gonna make it on table time. Have a grill and keep the menu simple.

- A new pool room, and remodeled ones need to invest in a place as if it were a sports bar. The place needs a spot with tv's where people can watch the game. You don't need TVs everywhere, just a bunch of them in one spot. You creat a sports bar in your poolroom, you get the business of both a sports bar and the poolroom.
Don't need to create a pool room with a sports bar. Just give me a place to play and some nice 50" HD LCD's to check the scores and highlights while I'm sitting there waiting to shoot. But, you could have a section with bar tables and put some TV's in there along with video games/darts, etc.[/QUOTE]

- A place needs to invest in professional looking pooltables.... new rooms need to break away from old stereotypes....go with blue felt and not green...make your tables look like a tournament set-up
Agreed-give me Diamonds, smart tables and Pro Ams. with tournament blue cloth.[/QUOTE]

- Let there be light....new rooms should be well lit...not florecent like an office, but with various incandecent lighting you need to make the place feel safe and comfortable...again, away from the stereotypes of old.
Gotta have proper lighting over the tables and 8' flourecent tubes are the only way to go IMO.[/QUOTE]

- Seating. Americans are lazy and do not want to stand and they want to be comfortable. Lots of seating, preferably stationary so it can't be rearranged would be key to get obese America to play pool in a room.
Spectator chairs w/small tables around the tables. Stationary stools at the bar.[/QUOTE]

- Re-invent the backroom. Don't call it a high stakes area or anything, but have a place where matches can go down. Make these tables and the setting immaculate. Remember, one player spending 100 dollars is just as good as the ten in the regular room paying 10 dollars each.
Maybe a couple of tables that you keep reserved for VIP treatment and high rollers. Need to be able to close it off so that you can control who goes in.[/QUOTE]

- Cater to pokerplayers too....create a poker room that is just as nice and comfortable...you want high stakes spenders...give them a high roller environment.
Again, TABC will stop you. I don't think I would want poker tables in my room.[/QUOTE]

- Host tournaments...often! Have APA, BCA, TAP...and any other leagues and tournaments at your place. If the well known players play at your room, then others will hear about it.

- Have specials often...you must compete with bars on alcohol prices...let your bar have the best deals and they will come.


I understand this ideal poolroom is impossible right now in these economic times...but, if it were, does this sound right?

Maybe if I win the lottery...[/QUOTE]
 
trustyrusty said:
I woulda never guessed that you folks were UCLA basketball fans...:shrug:

I will begrudgingly say that you have a very valid point
<<<<Ohio State football fan
<<<<UNC basketball fan
 
poker tables create problems

depending on the state, poker tables will just get you closed down. it has happened a couple times in rooms around ohio. the only gamblers that cry more than pool players are poker players. a degenerate holdem player will get wiped out one night and have you closed down the next, whining to the police about how you (room owner) somehow were involved in him losing his girlfriends welfare check that night... leave cards in the casinos.
 
trustyrusty said:
I woulda never guessed that you folks were UCLA basketball fans...:shrug:


I think he means the University of Texas Longhorns !!!!
 
gunzby said:
I will begrudgingly say that you have a very valid point
<<<<Ohio State football fan
<<<<UNC basketball fan
Cali schools are chock full of Div I championships (all sports) - 1) UCLA - 100 2) Stanford - 94 3) USC - 84

nobody else over 50.... 8) UNC - 32 tied with Michigan and Penn State. THE Ohio State Universty is not in the top 8 with 21 ... sorry.
 
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The #1 reason people choice a restaurant.

Don't forget to install nice, clean, roomy restrooms!!!!!!!
 
I wish I could own a pool room. It would be for people who came to play pool. No smoking! No juke box! I would have a small second hand t.v. to be turned on for tornado alerts or other emergencies. Just pool brother, this is Dave's.

Dave Nelson
 
Be customer friendly, greet, say good by to your customers, and make them want to come back to your ROOM!

BTW is it a Bar with Pool Table you desire, or a REAL POOL ROOM?
 
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banger tables & "kids" tables

I would also have a section where anyone that is really casual can go and play. Sometimes some people just want to bang the balls around. And I doubt you would like that on a diamond table. Also if their is a selection for people under the age of 21 where they can go and learn the game.
The section would have to be supervised, and a place to go to learn and play.
 
Absolutely... DeadGearPlyr, MAGOO's is a great place. I wish it were twice the size it is. Especially during a big Tournament. If the local media ever helped out & posted some of the Tournament Stuff with results, who knows..?

McDermott does a great job of managing this Pool Room Sports Bar, with some good music now & then. I enjoy it so much, I moved to Tulsa.
 
Ha Ha

Texas Prez said:
So I am curious, I want to know what true owners think of this and maybe my imput can help as feedback...who knows?

What it takes to build a modern successful poolroom:

1. Money. - investment is needed to get proper image
2. Money. - ok and now is where it changes from every other bloke

- I think a pool table need to be segmented. That is, there needs to be an area for the bar, an area for high stakes play, an area for food, and an area for pool. This doesn't necessarily mean that a place needs to be 50 different rooms, but a big building that feels small, yet not clustered would be ideal. Plus if a customer has more area to roam around and discover, it makes the place more interesting, a warehouse style place can be entirely seen from the front door; not interesting.

- A new pool room, and remodeled ones need to invest in a place as if it were a sports bar. The place needs a spot with tv's where people can watch the game. You don't need TVs everywhere, just a bunch of them in one spot. You creat a sports bar in your poolroom, you get the business of both a sports bar and the poolroom.

- A place needs to invest in professional looking pooltables.... new rooms need to break away from old stereotypes....go with blue felt and not green...make your tables look like a tournament set-up

- Let there be light....new rooms should be well lit...not florecent like an office, but with various incandecent lighting you need to make the place feel safe and comfortable...again, away from the stereotypes of old.

- Seating. Americans are lazy and do not want to stand and they want to be comfortable. Lots of seating, preferably stationary so it can't be rearranged would be key to get obese America to play pool in a room.

- Re-invent the backroom. Don't call it a high stakes area or anything, but have a place where matches can go down. Make these tables and the setting immaculate. Remember, one player spending 100 dollars is just as good as the ten in the regular room paying 10 dollars each.

- Cater to pokerplayers too....create a poker room that is just as nice and comfortable...you want high stakes spenders...give them a high roller environment.

- Host tournaments...often! Have APA, BCA, TAP...and any other leagues and tournaments at your place. If the well known players play at your room, then others will hear about it.

- Have specials often...you must compete with bars on alcohol prices...let your bar have the best deals and they will come.


I understand this ideal poolroom is impossible right now in these economic times...but, if it were, does this sound right?

Maybe if I win the lottery...
IF I WIN THE LOTTERY, I WILL SELL MY ROOM AND MOVE TO FL!!!
 
You need great, inexpensive food and set up specials that are different from everywhere else. A real pizza oven would be great to specialize in pizza, not those horrible frozen ones.

Hard liquor makes the most money, but if you are opposed, then make sure people know it and go after the kids. A couple years ago, I posted some suggestions to go after that market.

Around here, having the poker machines is a big draw while people are waiting or even people who don't play pool.

Have a pro shop and sell cues, tables and accessories.

You should have some kind of pro to promote pool, give lessons, do exhibitions, and run corporate parties. I was house pro at Jillian's and ran corporate parties for Microsoft and Boeing and also got a lot of marketing ideas while there. Make sure you have great food if you are catering their corporate parties.

Lessons encourage newbies to frequent your place because they are excited to practice new skills. And they tend to want your advice on buying cues and accessories which will encourage them to buy from you. You could offer a coupon for 10% off with a 6 week lesson session or something like that.

Have someone who can competently do tips and install and refelt tables.

Train your staff to be courteous to everyone, and also how to not distract players while they are down shooting.

TVs, a jukebox and even a game room with PS3s, Wii's and Xboxes are a hit. Offer the first pool lesson free to these tweenagers.

As you can see, if you have multiple streams of business, you should be ok. You need to make sure you know who your customers are and cater to them.
 
Hot waitresses FTW.

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u32 said:
I would also have a section where anyone that is really casual can go and play. Sometimes some people just want to bang the balls around. And I doubt you would like that on a diamond table. Also if their is a selection for people under the age of 21 where they can go and learn the game.
The section would have to be supervised, and a place to go to learn and play.


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Kids alway seem to have money to spend.:wink:
 
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