I don't think slop is much of a factor

Slop just takes the fun out of playing. Every time you break out a cluster or strategically block a pocket with your opponents balls near by, they just "hack" away... and the table completely changes again, and usually not for the better... how is that enoyable for anyone ??
 
jay helfert said:
Does anyone really believe that a player who plays for slop and to luck balls in has a chance against a good player? In real life, good players look for guys like that!
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Jay, you're posting on the internet. Stop putting reality in here, please.

Freddie <~~~ fantasy is what fantasy does
 
LOL!!! I love this conversation! Call shot... slop... what does it really matter? I rarely see someone win on a complete slop shot... occassionaly someone will luck the nine in... but that's the nature of the game. It happens. That's why you play races instead of betting it all on one rack. However, the real irony of this discussion is that even the loudest critic of slop games will take the shot that lucks in. I have many friends who will loudly argue against slop, but not once have I EVER seen them give up their turn, or the rack, when they slop a ball into the pocket. They suddenly get very quiet with their criticisms. They'll take your money on a lucky nine ball shot just as quickly as the guy who slams the balls around hoping for good fortune
 
macguy said:
Not really, luck comes into play more with a good position roll then lucking in a ball.
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I agree with this.

I would rather play slop. It's not that big a factor. Sure, it sucks when someone gets a lucky shot at a crucial time to beat you, but that type of luck evens out in the long run. I would also rather see someone luck the winning ball in than for someone call a foul on an obvious straight in shot, because the shooter didn't call it.
 
Slop is better for spectators, especially casual fans. Slop is kind of like a multiple choice test, you can get lucky once in a while and get an answer right, but over the course of the whole test or match, skill wins out.
 
Players probably miss and luckily leave their opponent safe 10x more then they get lucky slopping a ball in. So I don't think slop much of a factor.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Slop just takes the fun out of playing. Every time you break out a cluster or strategically block a pocket with your opponents balls near by, they just "hack" away... and the table completely changes again, and usually not for the better... how is that enoyable for anyone ??
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It's called using everything at your disposal to win. Risking everything in order to "override" your opponent's otherwise impenetrable defense, or to change the table layout when things look bad, is a part of the game IMHO. It's not like they'll succeed doing it every time. Sometimes they'll get lucky and turn the tables, on other occasions they'll only do damage to themselves, so it evens itself out.
 
One of the reasons I migrated to 3Cushion is all the arguing about this or that.

Can someone please define "Slop"??

I was once robbed of a shot because the OB touched another ball on its way in. I had to shoot between the long rail and that ball with about 2mm clearance to make it clean. The ball rocked so it was called a slop shot. Give me a break!! The kiss made it less likely it would drop.

Another time I shoot down the long rail and the OB touches the rail. No good. I didn't call the rail.

Rules against "slop" are sloppy.
 
Slop doesn't bother me. Sure, every once in a while someone unlikely to win will in fact win a match because of a lucky slop shot, but it is rare. Every real sport has a lot of good rolls, good fortune, and good bounces go someones way that does and has affected games and even championships. That unknown factor is what makes sports exciting and worth playing and watching. The last second hail merry pass, the full court 3 pointer to win the game with 0.4 seconds on the clock, the arrant tee shot that hits a tree and bounces back into the fairway. That is way you play the game and not just award the the statistical best player or team the trophy.

I play both APA (Slop) and BCA (Call Pocket). I agree with the OP that it doesn't make much of a difference in the long run. in my area most of the APA teams have BCA teams as well, and the same players usually win their matches, the same teams are usually in contention to win the division, the same lower players who sometimes slop in shots in APA are the same lower players in BCA. All in all it doesn't really change anything aside from a rare slop to win a match. Sometimes they deserve a good break in life and have things go their way for a change.
 
It doesn't have to be "much" of a factor, it just has to be a factor.
If no slop rules means the top 3 winners are Adam, Bob, and Charlie...
and slop rules means the top 3 winners are Adam, Charlie, Bob...

To some people that doesn't look like a big deal. But it's a big deal to Bob.

He lost money because of the rule. Maybe in the long run, over the course of many tournaments,
it evens out and Bob wins more money than Charlie over the years.

The problem is, pool doesn't have many high payout tournaments.
If slop costs you $5,000 in one event, there's no guarantee the 'rolls will even out'
and you'll win an extra $5,000 later in the year. You might just be shit out of luck.
 
I just wanted them to be alphabetical ^
I don't play in or win too many tournaments.
I'd be "zeb the donator".
 
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