I finally played Ultimate Pool

[Fore Rail]

No one is afraid to play on a barbox bro, idk why you would think so. Why don't you come to CO and we can gamble on the 9ft'er? Now that would be putting yourself in the fire.

I don't play on the 9ft tables.

I'm guessing you missed the part where Joe Prince won the Piazza Open 6-0 and 5-0 in the double elimination finals. No amateur stood a chance.

I watched it happen.

And you still haven't provided any proof of your accusation against me.

At the end of the Chris McDaniel vs Trent Scheele match @krisweezy1104 said always bet against someone wearing a pool jersey & guy 2 strokes the 1 ball and then throws his arms up wondering why he missed.

Idk why you're so upset at my opinion that barbox 8 ball is easy.

Because it isn't.

 

[Kris_b1104]

At the end of the Chris McDaniel vs Trent Scheele match @krisweezy1104 said always bet against someone wearing a pool jersey & guy 2 strokes the 1 ball and then throws his arms up wondering why he missed.

Because it isn't.

I say that to any amateur wearing a pool jersey, nothing personal against your buddy. I was watching the match to see Chris, had no idea who the other guy was. And he did 2 stroke, miss the ball, and throw his hands up. I said nothing wrong. You can't be that sensitive.

Because it isn't.

That's YOUR opinion. Which is fine.

I don't play on the 9ft tables.

I had a feeling.

 

[Fore Rail]

I say that to any amateur wearing a pool jersey, nothing personal against your buddy. I was watching the match to see Chris, had no idea who the other guy was. And he did 2 stroke, miss the ball, and throw his hands up. I said nothing wrong. You can't be that sensitive.

That's YOUR opinion. Which is fine.

I had a feeling.

1st off Trent is not my buddy. Saying nothing wrong doesn't mean it should be said.

The last time & only time I played Trent in a tournament he lost pretty much the same as he did to Chris. That was playing bar box 8 ball so I'm sure that won't hold much weight with you.

Based upon your ghost videos I'll tell you something. Take your 486 & 120 Robustness & see if you can beat Trent in any game on any table straight up. Then you can go up the rung a bit more & a bit more and then a bit more yet. Then maybe just maybe you can come and bark at me.

The game of pool is very difficult for the majority of people & that includes bar box 8 ball & that is not opinion by any means.

Keep overestimating your knowledge and ability, underestimating others & see where that gets you.

You can by all means have the last word, I won't be reading anything more from you.

 

[Kris_b1104]

1st off Trent is not my buddy. Saying nothing wrong doesn't mean it should be said.

The last time & only time I played Trent in a tournament he lost pretty much the same as he did to Chris. That was playing bar box 8 ball so I'm sure that won't hold much weight with you.

Based upon your ghost videos I'll tell you something. Take your 486 & 120 Robustness & see if you can beat Trent in any game on any table straight up. Then you can go up the rung a bit more & a bit more and then a bit more yet. Then maybe just maybe you can come and bark at me.

The game of pool is very difficult for the majority of people & that includes bar box 8 ball & that is not opinion by any means.

Keep overestimating your knowledge and ability, underestimating others & see where that gets you.

You can by all means have the last word, I won't be reading anything more from you.

Why not come and play me yourself? You talked all that shit about putting yourself in the fire and me being scared to play barbox 8ball, and now look at you.

Have you ever beaten the 9ball ghost in a race to 7 on video?

Come put your money where your mouth is and stop caping for other men.

 

[Kris_b1104]

Let me see if you can understand my position a bit better. You choose to not play with a myriad of excuses. I give those way more respect that put themselves into the fire even if over their heads than anyone who sits on the sidelines talking shit.

Sounds like you right now. If you come I'll make it worth your while. We can play for $500-1,000 on a 9ft Diamond, 9 or 10ball, race to 11. Let's see what you have since you're so quick to point out my Fargo, robustness and YouTube account. Yet, I have no idea who you are, and I'm still willing to play you. Come play and defend the barbox 8ball warriors or shut up.

 

[Fore Rail]

Why not come and play me yourself? You talked all that shit about putting yourself in the fire and me being scared to play barbox 8ball, and now look at you.

Have you ever beaten the 9ball ghost in a race to 7 on video?

Come put your money where your mouth is and stop caping for other men.

Sounds like you right now.

“Putting myself?” I was referring to your negative comments towards players better than you while you aren’t playing yourself. Is that too difficult to understand?

Yes I play a regular tournament schedule. If you wouldn’t have a little trepidation about playing in an Open event such as the Piazzas Open 8 ball then imo you are very misguided.

I have never played the ghost on video. Not trying to impress anyone. Just who are you trying to impress?

Have you ever beat a 668 or a 643?

Caping - I had to look that one up.

I am a bit old school, I have paid my dues to get where I am pool level wise. Sorry to offend you with my thinking you have not. Having said that’s totally on you.

Am I wrong?

Truth is you aren’t on my radar. My opinion is you need to differentiate between what you perceive as shit talking and a huge dose of reality.

 

[trob]

Not in a league, or even at an event, though. I was on vacation in Arizona and was able to setup a match with Drew Von Porte from YouTube.

I enjoyed the format way more than I thought I would. Love the shot clock, no race, match clock, all of it. I really enjoy 8 ball on a bar box, so that didn't hurt either.

Does anyone here play in a UPL league? What do you think of it compared to other leagues?

I watch Drew’s video’s . He’s a fun guy to watch and not a bad player.

As far as the league it’s a no thank you for me. My speed of play is not quick and has been worked on for decades to be what it is. I’m not screwing with that for a pool league. I don’t mind a shot clock but the match clock to me is silly and not for me. To each his own though

 

[trob]

I just watched SVB win $20K in this tourney and it was the most animated and happy I think I've ever seen him post-win. Said he loves 8-ball!

We know he loves 8 ball.. he’s said it 100 times when he won a world 8 ball title.

At a certain level slopping the 8 in just doesn't / will not happen.

I only saw an object ball go in a non designated pocket twice while I was in Denver playing.

I like the rules, I want my opponent quiet in his / her chair not asking me what ball and pocket I'm shooting / calling.

You’re not completely wrong. Good players just don’t shit many balls in. If your at a league like apa you’ll see bad players do it a lot. 2 simple reasons… when they miss they miss badly and they hit balls way to hard. I play a lot of 9 ball and I rarely ever shit a ball in.

There's no call-shot in UPL?

As easy as 8ball is on a barbox, they went and made it even easier. I guess it will attract more amateurs though, since they are more prone to slopping balls in and feeling happy about it.

8 ball is actually harder on a bar box. Much more clusters and working around balls which is what makes 8 ball fun.. it’s more like a chess match. Just like 9 ball is tougher on a 9 foot. You got to get your stroke out more moving the cue ball where as bar box 9 ball not much is in the way and you rarely ever have to get your stroke out to get where ever you want.

 

[fastone371]

2 other rules.
A defensive shot e.g. playing a designated group legally to pocket an opponent's ball. (you can't hit your solid and pocket your opponents stripe)

That is absolutely a legal play in UPL, nothing illegal about it. You just cant hit your opponents ball first to pocket it, I think its loss of rack.

 

[fastone371]

Who did I criticize? I enjoyed watching our fellow AzB member easy-e participate in the tournament. I have no interest in watching pros play in it however. And who are you to say who I'm allowed to criticize or not? Professional pool players are public figures and open to anyone's criticism.

There are 9ft tables in Colorado so I don't see the need to play 9ball on a 7ft table. However, there are not many 9ft 9ball tournaments, which is okay, it is what it is. That's not going to "force" me to play on a barbox. It takes stones to play in a UPL event? Lol. All it takes is an entry fee brother.

I believe it was when you said how easy it was because it was on a barbox, it makes us curious why you are not there stealing the cash since you are a runout player on barboxes. Its a valid question.

 

[Kris_b1104]

I believe it was when you said how easy it was because it was on a barbox, it makes us curious why you are not there stealing the cash since you are a runout player on barboxes. Its a valid question.

I don't understand why I can't have the opinion that barbox 8ball is easy? It should not trigger other people like this. I don't need to enter a tournament if I despise playing barbox 8ball. Why should I force myself to play a game I don't enjoy? It is literally a recipe for losing.

People like Fore Rail, who play league on 7ft tables in a race to 2 or 3 will obviously think barbox 8ball is hard, because they don't play or have access to 9ft tables. I don't have that issue, I'm sorry. Despite him being a 562 Fargo and me being a 482, I'm confident that I can beat him on a 9ft table, because he only plays on 7ft'ers. I don't look at a 550+ on a 7ft the same way I look at a 550+ on a 9ft table.

I'd much rather test my abilities in a tournament with 9ft tables playing 9ball. I think checkers is a way easier game than Chess, does that mean I should be entering every checkers tournament to steal the cash even though I don't enjoy checkers? Makes no sense.

 

[Kris_b1104]

I believe it was when you said how easy it was because it was on a barbox, it makes us curious why you are not there stealing the cash since you are a runout player on barboxes. Its a valid question.

There were over 10 pros entered in that tournament, no amateur stood a chance.

I've played many times on a barbox, 8ball included, and I have no interest in it. And that is totally fine. Just like if you believe barbox 8ball is difficult, that is fine too. I feel like it restricts your stroke and you have to baby the ball a lot to get short distance position. I rarely ever had to let me stroke out on a 7ft table, and that is not a true indication of my abilities. I didn't see any issue running out a rack of 8ball on a barbox. I find it easy because there are no long distance shot that put you to the test, just a bunch of short positional shots that test your speed control where you have to jab or poke at the ball and slow roll it.

I also find 8ball too easy because if I make a solid, and I mess up position on my next ball, it's completely okay because I have 6 other balls to shoot at. Too much reward not enough punishment for messing up position. I make another ball, I mess up position again, it's okay, I have 5 other balls I can choose to shoot. That is not skillful to me.

 

[fastone371]

There were over 10 pros entered in that tournament, no amateur stood a chance.

I've played many times on a barbox, 8ball included, and I have no interest in it. And that is totally fine. Just like if you believe barbox 8ball is difficult, that is fine too. I feel like it restricts your stroke and you have to baby the ball a lot to get short distance position. I rarely ever had to let me stroke out on a 7ft table, and that is not a true indication of my abilities. I didn't see any issue running out a rack of 8ball on a barbox. I find it easy because there are no long distance shot that put you to the test, just a bunch of short positional shots that test your speed control where you have to jab or poke at the ball and slow roll it.

I also find 8ball too easy because if I make a solid, and I mess up position on my next ball, it's completely okay because I have 6 other balls to shoot at. Too much reward not enough punishment for messing up position. I make another ball, I mess up position again, it's okay, I have 5 other balls I can choose to shoot. That is not skillful to me.

I find that odd because I play most 8 ball on barboxes even though I have a 9' Gold Crown at home. Unfortunately there just are not that many facilities that have 9' tables around here, because of the rarity even when you find a place that has them tournaments are still held on 7' tables. Its tough to put a Diamond 7' table in the same class as a Valley barbox. A Diamond is bigger and has a much deeper shelf than a Valley. I play a lot on both 7' and 9' tables and I just don't see the huge difference like you do. A 9' table is only 10" wider and 20" longer, sorry but one shot 20" longer than another just isn't that big of a deal where anyone should be concerned. As far as you just "poking" balls around on 7' tables maybe you are playing wrong. There are plenty of times 'I need to let my stroke out" on 7' tables. There are a lot of times you have to cross the table several times for position because you cant hold the cue ball, there are times you have to draw the cue ball 5-6 feet or a couple of rails, or you need to play a break out shot that covers distance and rails, its all part of the game regardless of table size. As far as 8 ball being easy you must have a magical 8 ball game because I rarely have 6 other balls to shoot at if I miss position on one because they are blocked by opponent balls, tied up, there are blockers to the pocket, etc. If the game was as easy as you claim it to be I would run out a lot more often.

 

[Kris_b1104]

I find that odd because I play most 8 ball on barboxes even though I have a 9' Gold Crown at home. Unfortunately there just are not that many facilities that have 9' tables around here, because of the rarity even when you find a place that has them tournaments are still held on 7' tables. Its tough to put a Diamond 7' table in the same class as a Valley barbox. A Diamond is bigger and has a much deeper shelf than a Valley. I play a lot on both 7' and 9' tables and I just don't see the huge difference like you do. A 9' table is only 10" wider and 20" longer, sorry but one shot 20" longer than another just isn't that big of a deal where anyone should be concerned. As far as you just "poking" balls around on 7' tables maybe you are playing wrong. There are plenty of times 'I need to let my stroke out" on 7' tables. There are a lot of times you have to cross the table several times for position because you cant hold the cue ball, there are times you have to draw the cue ball 5-6 feet or a couple of rails, or you need to play a break out shot that covers distance and rails, its all part of the game regardless of table size. As far as 8 ball being easy you must have a magical 8 ball game because I rarely have 6 other balls to shoot at if I miss position on one because they are blocked by opponent balls, tied up, there are blockers to the pocket, etc. If the game was as easy as you claim it to be I would run out a lot more often.

I understand and respect your point of view. All good points. I will try playing the 8ball ghost race to 7 on my home table and see how I do. Like I said, I just don't find it enjoyable.

 

[JPB2]

I find that odd because I play most 8 ball on barboxes even though I have a 9' Gold Crown at home. Unfortunately there just are not that many facilities that have 9' tables around here, because of the rarity even when you find a place that has them tournaments are still held on 7' tables. Its tough to put a Diamond 7' table in the same class as a Valley barbox. A Diamond is bigger and has a much deeper shelf than a Valley.

One small quibble. Most valleys have the same play area as Diamond. Most typical valley is 40”x80” playing field with a 93” overall length. Diamond is same 40x80. Valley does make a smaller one though. Rails and pockets/shelf different of course.

 

[fastone371]

One small quibble. Most valleys have the same play area as Diamond. Most typical valley is 40”x80” playing field with a 93” overall length. Diamond is same 40x80. Valley does make a smaller one though. Rails and pockets/shelf different of course.

7' Valley is 38" x 76", Diamond 7' is 40" x 80"

 

[JPB2]

7' Valley is 38" x 76", Diamond 7' is 40" x 80"

They do make that one. The 93” valley is 40x80. Most I have seen in the wild are the 40x80 one.

 

[JPB2]

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This lists sizes

 

[dtroup64]

Just played in my first UP tournament... and it'll probably be my last.

Had two games in a row where I started at negative 4 and we had 20 minutes to play.

First match I won the first three and then my opponent ran out the clock (no shot clock as the tables are too close).

2nd match I lost the first game so it was moot. I was at negative 5 with 13 minutes left. I played it out as a good sport, but it's not for me.

 

[fastone371]

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This lists sizes

"6.5 foot (88”), 7 foot (93"), 8 foot (101")" Where do you suppose they are measuring these tables?? If its cushion nose to cushion nose which is the correct way to measure playing area that 8" Valley at 101" is bigger than a 9' Gold Crown.