I have no choice..314 for 3C

seven

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What are the down sides to using a predator 314 shaft for 3 cushion? i have a billiard cue and I'm having a really hard time getting the ball hits that I need..(the deflection is ungodly).. I use my predator shaft and all is good.. im really happy playing with a predator and really comfortable with it. im getting the ball hits I need and the english is consistent. Predator must put Crack on their shaft because I can play with nothing but a predator anymore. Yes...I am a pred head :)
 
seven said:
What are the down sides to using a predator 314 shaft for 3 cushion? i have a billiard cue and I'm having a really hard time getting the ball hits that I need..(the deflection is ungodly).. I use my predator shaft and all is good.. im really happy playing with a predator and really comfortable with it. im getting the ball hits I need and the english is consistent. Predator must put Crack on their shaft because I can play with nothing but a predator anymore. Yes...I am a pred head :)

You're a pool player also, I assume, and you've gotten used to playing with the 314? And you are going to continue playing pool with the 314? Then I recommend you use it for 3C as well. I think anyone would have a hard time going back and forth between shafts with much different squirt properties.

I use a billiard taper (12mm tip) and I don't find "the deflection is ungodly" unless I use a hard stroke. But it's no doubt noticeably more than a 314. Billiard tapers are used by 3C players in part because these tapers are supposedly more consistent in their squirt and not because they have minimal squirt. I say "supposedly" because I'm not aware that this "consistency" has been tested in any systematic way. It's probably true, though, because guys like Ceulemans don't take their cue decisions lightly.
 
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seven said:
What are the down sides to using a predator 314 shaft for 3 cushion? i have a billiard cue and I'm having a really hard time getting the ball hits that I need..(the deflection is ungodly).. I use my predator shaft and all is good.. im really happy playing with a predator and really comfortable with it. im getting the ball hits I need and the english is consistent. Predator must put Crack on their shaft because I can play with nothing but a predator anymore. Yes...I am a pred head :)

You have answerd your own question, sort of.

Playing 3C with that contraption is both limiting and foolish.

You had to learn how to play with it

Loose the need for instant gratification and
learn to play with the Carom cue

There is a reason why the phrase "practice makes perfect"
is so popular

Dale<tough talk for tough love>
 
seven said:
What are the down sides to using a predator 314 shaft for 3 cushion? i have a billiard cue and I'm having a really hard time getting the ball hits that I need..(the deflection is ungodly).. ...
The problem is that your carom cue is broken. Some carom cues are also low squirt, and in my view all of them should be. However, there is really no real reason that you can't use a 314 (or any other pool shaft you are comfortable with) for carom. The carom balls are only 24% heavier than pool balls, and in the grand scheme of things, that's insignificant.

You may want to find a different carom cue.
 
pdcue said:
You have answerd your own question, sort of.

Playing 3C with that contraption is both limiting and foolish.

You had to learn how to play with it

Loose the need for instant gratification and
learn to play with the Carom cue

There is a reason why the phrase "practice makes perfect"
is so popular

Dale<tough talk for tough love>

Why is it limiting?...why is it a contraption?.. I've been playing pool for at least 20 years...at least 10 of those years with a predator shaft. maybe I'm just used to it.. I still shoot pool..(alot) I think ill take Jewett's advice
and play both with the same shaft.. Here is my thinking....
I'm a fairly good player.. have run multiple racks of 9 ball.. high run of 46 :( at straight pool .. and have banked 5 and out at short banks. I payed my dues learning how my shaft plays. I dont want to have to start over again. it seems that alot of people think that a predator shaft magically makes you shoot better. I know plenty of people with predator shafts that are not that good. on a positive note.. yesterday I was playing 3 cushion,
I was losing 10 to 1...race to 15. I came back with a run of 4.. a 3.. and a couple of 2's to win 15 to 11 :) I just started playing 3 cushion 2 months ago. ive been on a high ever since :)
 
seven said:
What are the down sides to using a predator 314 shaft for 3 cushion? i have a billiard cue and I'm having a really hard time getting the ball hits that I need..(the deflection is ungodly).. I use my predator shaft and all is good.. im really happy playing with a predator and really comfortable with it. im getting the ball hits I need and the english is consistent. Predator must put Crack on their shaft because I can play with nothing but a predator anymore. Yes...I am a pred head :)

SEVEN
I have been playing billiards off and on for a great many years and would not call myself a novice. nor a pro for that matter. when i came back to playing billiards again many years ago i was using a Meucci cue on an unheated table with a 12.75mm shaft. Everybody knows how whippppy those older meucci shafts could get. BOY, Talk about Deflection....anyway, what i did was to just shorten my bridge stroke from maybe 18 inches down to about 8-10 inches and this cut down on my deflection quite a bit. I now just use a generic sneaky pete that is 21 ounces...maybe now down to 20 with the sanding.....anyway, that is what i did to get the deflection down......................mike
 
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Hey everybody

I don't want to turn this into a pissing contest. But I was just wondering what everybodies high run is. On an unheated table many years ago, when i played 10-12 hours a day, i once hit 14 to win a match for $50.00 against a friend named Willie Fisher. On the new heated tables i once ran 8 and that was while i was playing the late great Johnny Ervalino during the last Joss tournament they held at the Golden Cue in Queens on Queens Blvd......thats my story and i am sticking to it...lolol.................mike
 
cueball1950 said:
SEVEN
I have been playing billiards off and on for a great many years and would not call myself a novice. nor a pro for that matter. when i came back to playing billiards again many years ago i was using a Meucci cue on and unheated table with a 12.75mm shaft. Everybody knows how whippppy those older meucci shafts could get. BOY, Talk about Deflection....anyway, what i did was to just shorten my bridge stroke from maybe 18 inches down to about 8-10 inches and this cut down on my deflection quite a bit. I now just use a generic sneaky pete that is 21 ounces...maybe now down to 20 with the sanding.....anyway, that is what i did to get the deflection down......................mike

So what you are saying is that its not a sin to play 3 cushion with a pool cue? Good.. cause im happy right now :)
 
seven said:
So what you are saying is that its not a sin to play 3 cushion with a pool cue? Good.. cause im happy right now :)

Thats what i use. I see no reason for using a "special" cue just for playing 3 cushion. We have a local player here named Al who i would say plays on a national level. (he no longer competes and has not done so in many years). he uses a regular playing cue with maybe a 15.5 shaft and he plays great with it. Now, if you were going to do some competitive tournament playing then maybe i would consider maybe getting a special cue. But if all you are going to do is recreational playing then i would just use what you have if you are happy with it and are comfprtable using it...so, in a nut shell, the answer to your question is YES..................mike
 
I had been planning too pick up a z or 314 shaft for my pool cue for a couple of years and picked up a pred. sneaky pete cheap with a 314.

I cant make a ball with it on a pool table due too lack of squirt and my need to spin all I see.I seem too have the habit of taking chunks out of my cues playing 3 cushion so i started useing the pete.......and I just love the cue for billiards. So for me cant stand pred for pool , love it for 3-cushion
 
Predators are awesome for Carom, I've used 314 and Z and they were better than any carom cue i've tried

I've heard Schuler carom cues are amazing though, they must be decent enough for an American cue company to get sales in Europe
 
I play pocket billiards with a Richard Black butt SS joint and 314 shaft I have become accustomed to. When I became aware of 3C billiards while living in Japan and actually seeing 3C players and good equipment tables, I was connected to the internet in '95 or so and asked around on rec.sport.billiards for a good cue. Schuler was my choice.

(I also have a vestigual memory of having voted for the RFC 1194 proposal to change alt.pool to rec.sport.billiard, but checking into that historic vote I can't remember my email address of that era and sadly conclude though I approve that vote, I wasn't an actual voter.)

The topic of the perfect cue was then, is still, and always will be, the rage. I was sold on Schuler cues for several reasons... Top RSB folks said good things about them. Interchangeable shaft system, no matter what butt you have, all shafts fit... from stiff to whippy to pro taper or Euro tapers or 3C... and it was a custom, and since that purchase (overseas, early days of internet commerce, with some bumps) it has not dropped in value to me or resale, should I ever wish to sell.

To the point, I had a cue dealer who sells Chudy cues in Japan test my Schuler with 3C shaft, and his comment was, "it has similar squirt characteristics to the 314" or something to that effect, in his opinion.

Maybe that is why I have less trouble shifting between playing the different disciplines, though failing to properly account for squirt, even though I know it in my brain but fail to adjust on many shots at distance with spin causes many misses.

On your cues, I suggest this: set up the "six diamond spin shot to the corner pocket with the ball on the foot cushion" test. Place the cue on the head spot, freeze the object ball on the foot cushion in the center. With extreme right English, go rail first then spin into the ball cutting it towards the "pocket". I find on my 314 on a 9ft pocket table I need only aim at center of the OB and the cue reliably deflects slightly more than 1/2 ball and I make the impossible shot. Do this test with both cues, see which has "More" or "Less", then interpolate the difference.

If you can't stand the difference, perhaps consider playing with one cue only and learn to adjust for the different ball sizes and weights. There are differences, how significant those differences in the end comes down to how good a player you are and can discern and make use of the different characterstics.

The cues are different, for reasons historical some of which may make sense or not, but as a player all the engineering data may make less a difference than your feel right now and desire to make points.

Perhaps a discussion about the differences between the sports of carom and pocket, how this affects tables or here cue building may be worthy. But not in this thread.
 
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