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Agreed, there is a little bit of right english on the ball. Straight draw once it bends off the first rail comes back at a more obtuse angle off the rail.
Fast cloth that was cleaned between matches with Chalk Off, and extreme draw with about a 1/4 to a 1/2 tip of right. He also "skipped" the cue ball a little bit to help keep the back spin on the ball.
It is low right, when you can do it ,you know.. I did it
60 consecutive times before..
Straight bottom, give me a break
Damn. I probably would have dogged #58 - my alarm would have sharked me by waking me up. :wink:
Aaron
Jeez, I just knew someone was gonna bring onions into this conversation eventually. It's all down hill from here, boys.
Aaron
I think the cueball picks up more right English off the object and the 1st rail than alot of people have posted thus far, due to the speed of the shot, the cut angle, and the duration of contact combined with the draw into the first cushion. Also due to the speed of shot, a smidge of right English when Cory strikes the cueball will have a more pronounced effect due to the speed. But overall, I still think it's basically straight low. It's also possible that the cueball picks up some right spin AFTER the bend off the first rail due to friction grab with the cloth when it finally takes.....but I'm very uncertain about that.
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I think part of the problem is that many people can't appreciate just how slick these conditions were because they've never experienced it. I've ran into it a few times, and it was like a carnival game. What you think is a stop shot gets you 8-12" of draw, and side spin seems to have almost zero effect off of the cushions. Actually, the slick conditions are the reason Corey ended up with the kick on the 3 to begin with. He had room to follow and miss the point on the side pocket, but the cueball slid right into it, resulting in the hook. Get some new 860 and grease up your cueball if you want to experience it for yourself.
Aside from that, the only other proof I can provide is this:
When the CB hits the 2nd cushion, the ball is still spinning such that the "measles" are indistinguishable from one another This is still true when the CB contacts the 3rd cushion, indicating that very little of the spin rubbed off, even after the "wrong-rail" hit on the 2nd cushion. Then, despite the still considerable spin, the CB's change in direction off of the 3rd cushion is very minimal - just a few degrees I think. On a table with worn-in cloth and marginally clean balls (what most would call normal conditions), that amount of spin at that slow speed would cause the CB to completely reverse its angle and head back toward the left long rail. Instead, it only shortens by a few degrees.
The reason we don't see a dramatic direction change off of the first cushion is the same reason we don't see a dramatic direction change off of the third. I am convinced that there was considerable spin on the ball when it contacted the first cushion, although Pat and I have different opinions on how it got there. Usually the only way you see that much spin transferred from ball to ball is on the break shot, where the ball is "pinched" and receives complementary rubs from 2, 3, or 4 balls at once.
Aaron
Aside from that, the only other proof I can provide is this:
When the CB hits the 2nd cushion, the ball is still spinning such that the "measles" are indistinguishable from one another This is still true when the CB contacts the 3rd cushion, indicating that very little of the spin rubbed off, even after the "wrong-rail" hit on the 2nd cushion. Then, despite the still considerable spin, the CB's change in direction off of the 3rd cushion is very minimal - just a few degrees I think. On a table with worn-in cloth and marginally clean balls (what most would call normal conditions), that amount of spin at that slow speed would cause the CB to completely reverse its angle and head back toward the left long rail. Instead, it only shortens by a few degrees.
The reason we don't see a dramatic direction change off of the first cushion is the same reason we don't see a dramatic direction change off of the third. I am convinced that there was considerable spin on the ball when it contacted the first cushion, although Pat and I have different opinions on how it got there. Usually the only way you see that much spin transferred from ball to ball is on the break shot, where the ball is "pinched" and receives complementary rubs from 2, 3, or 4 balls at once.
Aaron
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I wasn't thinking to clear when I posted, to many beers.:grin: What i meant to say was i had 60 consecutive misses before I made it.
What makes this shot so great at least to me is, he did it when it counted.
Pretty impressive.