I want to have a lacquer finish

pdcue said:
Harsh is true, but in my own defense, normal, polite conversation
obviously wasn't penetrating.

You gave a good feel of just how much it takes to get even
a decent finish, and, as you know, your post doesn't even
cover the highlight reel.

Dale<restrained to a point>


Don't have to defend to me Bud, I was just given ya a hard time trying to lighten ya up;) :D I understand where Your coming from, and i think on most things we see eye to eye very clearly. I'm just not as vocal, cause I have to protect My nice guy image LOL:rolleyes: :p Not to mention I could easily be accused of not fully comprehending something from one ocasion to another;) One minute I can be a genius (in My own Mind) the next I can't spell My own name:p

Greg
 
dinkwater said:
This thread is starting to get quite funny actually. Its clear to me that finishing is not something I want tackle myself. I am actually quite capable and good with my hands having built my own subwoofer box, and helped build a house one summer. But, in any event, I have finally found a very good cue for myself and just want the lacquer finish done right once. I have enough information here to try it myself, and thank you all for the help but it sounds more time consuming then just spraying on some coats. There are two cuemakers in town. One I know charges 75 for something that isnt quite lacquer but something a little softer that can heal itself from being dinged (with a bit of heat).

P.S. Bubs. Thanks for sticking up for me. Yes, I am definitely a newbie. Maybe I will start a new thread about snooker extensions and recommended joint technology...ya.. that will definitely get some opinions..lol

Dink,

If my reading between the lines skills are up to snuff, I'm guessing
you might be happy with one of two options.

1. French Polish - basic rub-on-padding lacquer and polish.

2. Tung Oil - also rub-on and rub some more on. You can get
it to shine<or so they tell me> and it is easily repairable.
Needs to be renewed over time

Between books in a Library and Google searches, one could find lots
of info on these methods - for free.

Dale
 
bubsbug said:
Ok, I'll bite! Can somebody here who has a clue please explaine to me what this man is talking about!

I have a retired uncle who cant read or write past a 5th grade level. Some how for the past 30 years he has managed to clear over $200,000 annually owning a construction company. It would take a lot of cue sticks to make that much. But like you said reading is handy, Who knows what he would have made if he were able to read. But then again perhaps his reading and illiteracy charity wouldn't be as helpful as it has been. Perhaps he would have been like everyone else and pissed it away.

Yeah, and my monkey's uncle made 6 Billion dollars and
he can't even talk.

Have you ever thought abouit transfering your attention
over to LetMeTellEverybodyHowRichIam.com

Dale
 
Lacquer Finish

Hi Dinkwater:

Go to www.stewmac.com and search finishes. Then go to "Color Tone Essential Finishing Kit". This kit has everything you need to finish a guitar, or cue, with lacquer along with an instruction book at a reasonable price. Guitar makers have used lacquer for guitars for at least a century. If its good enough for the likes of Martin and Gibson it should work on a cue. I, in over 25 years making guitars and
40 years being around Martins have never seen one "yellow". Personally I use my own propietory blend of oil finish but I will now experiement with some lacquer.

Bob Flynn
Denali Pool Cues
 
pdcue said:
Dink,

If my reading between the lines skills are up to snuff, I'm guessing
you might be happy with one of two options.

1. French Polish - basic rub-on-padding lacquer and polish.

2. Tung Oil - also rub-on and rub some more on. You can get
it to shine<or so they tell me> and it is easily repairable.
Needs to be renewed over time

Between books in a Library and Google searches, one could find lots
of info on these methods - for free.

Dale

Dale,

It's people like you who gives the billiard industry a bad rep. That sharking pool husseling attitude makes you look pathetic. What, you can't give free advise? If not what good is this forem. Oh!....I know it's a way for people like you to receive free advertiement for your own personal benefit! I understand keeping a small industry like the billiards repair sector private, but then dont give out partial information and then make a statement that your advise is not for free. Most peolpe on this Forem are here to share a common interest, learn, and to meet new people. I guess free is only good if you are the one benefiting.
Bubsbug
 
pdcue said:
Yeah, and my monkey's uncle made 6 Billion dollars and
he can't even talk.

Have you ever thought abouit transfering your attention
over to LetMeTellEverybodyHowRichIam.com

Dale

How am I my uncle's keeper?? I havn't seen him in over 5 years. I only know this info because another family member is a CPA who always did everyones taxes!!!!

It's ok Dale, keep you eye on the prize! Perseverance is a great thing!!
 
pdcue said:
Dink,

If my reading between the lines skills are up to snuff, I'm guessing
you might be happy with one of two options.

1. French Polish - basic rub-on-padding lacquer and polish.

2. Tung Oil - also rub-on and rub some more on. You can get
it to shine<or so they tell me> and it is easily repairable.
Needs to be renewed over time

Between books in a Library and Google searches, one could find lots
of info on these methods - for free.

Dale

Dale,

It's people like you who gives the billiard industry a bad rep. That sharking pool husseling attitude makes you look pathetic. What, you can't give free advise? If not what good is this forem. Oh!....I know it's a way for people like you to receive free advertiement for your own personal benefit! I understand keeping a small industry like the billiards repair sector private, but then dont give out partial information and then make a statement that your advise is not for free. Most peolpe on this Forem are here to share a common interest, learn, and to meet new people. I guess free is only good if you are the one benefiting.
Bubsbug
 
bubsbug said:
Dale,

It's people like you who gives the billiard industry a bad rep. That sharking pool husseling attitude makes you look pathetic. What, you can't give free advise? If not what good is this forem. Oh!....I know it's a way for people like you to receive free advertiement for your own personal benefit! I understand keeping a small industry like the billiards repair sector private, but then dont give out partial information and then make a statement that your advise is not for free. Most peolpe on this Forem are here to share a common interest, learn, and to meet new people. I guess free is only good if you are the one benefiting.
Bubsbug

Let's review.

Everyone in this thread but you understands it is not practical to try
to write all the info dink needs to do his project - but we can help
him get started in the right direction

I gave him 2 tips based on what I thought he wanted to do
and a way to find more info - If I only wanted to finish one cue,
I would prefer to not have to invest in a book - wouldn't you?

Exactly when did I ever ask you to buy anything?
And, who do you think wants to purchase the story of your family, BTW?

Dale<redirecting bug to www.traintheretard.com>
Singlehandidly giving the billiard industry a bad rep since 1978
 
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Wow, this is just great information..and funny too. Bugs and Dale and PD are really going at'r. We could turn this into a Youtube video and make millions!

OK, first credits go to PD for putting up the pics and giving me even more detail then I ever thought I would get off this post. I am actually starting to feel less intimidated by the whole finishing business even though I know that without a lathe and proper work area (it will have to be my living room) its going to be complex but rewarding as well. Perhaps I will do it myself over a few weekends. Also, my one-piece ash is being retired and would be a prime candidate for the refinishing job. I just had the local cuemaker knockoff the existing lacquer cause the crap he used was like 2 feet thick. I am going to try and put pics up on a regular basis showing my progress once I start.

Second credits go to QMaker, thanks for the link to stewmac. I knew the guitar industry had something I could use but didnt know where to start. I think I might just use the Color Tone Essential Finishing Kit or find something similar from a local company. I live in Canada and stewmac doesnt ship here. If they can use it on guitars, it must be just as good for a cue right? QMaker, you mentioned that you have been around guitars for a long time. Have they also used the same stewmac product line on the higher end guitars or is this kit just for newbies (ie..pros using something else).

Here is the link, for anyone interested: http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Finishi...lvents/ColorTone_Essential_Finishing_Kit.html


And now, just when I thought I had it all figured out.. Dale, you mention Tung Oil or French Polish. hmm.. that might be what I want. I am intrigued. You know, I just want something I can feel in my hand. I hate the ultra smooth wood finish I have right now. My grip and timing is completely off. I cant hit a long ball if my life counted on it and my match play is suffering tremendously (not to mention my wallet!). At first I thought it was just oil or lacquer, but obviously wood finishing is much more complex, varied and personal.


Thanks Everyone! I will keep you updated on my research and findings.

P.S. Bug in disguise from PD's first reply....aaaahhh...NOW I understand where all tension started..nice
 
Wtf

bubsbug said:
Pdcue I must have an incrediable impact on you for you to keep bashing me. Dinkwater, basically what pdcue is saying, is that.............well never mind but it is offensive. What have I ever done to you. Its funny how things get back around to people. I remenber once how people were giving me lectures in safety and rncue came up with a missing finger. Now, that was a tragedy, but still pratical of how this old world works. I hope the finger is doing well. Pdcue you have a lot of experience in cue making no doubt, but remember you were once new as well. And this was way back when even a steady rest was top secreat. Please relax a little enjoy your gift of cuebuilding and spread you knowledge to those who want to learn the trait. I promise you, these are the things that will last forever, not the animosity!!


You know I keep reading this and holding Myself from saying anything, but just can't help Myself. Let me first say I have nothing against you at all, Maybe even felt for ya alittle there, but this statement IMHO is in very bad taste. You should have left Dick's accident out of this, cause it has nothing to with what's going on here, and yes It was a tragedy, I'm sure he thanks You for reminding him. You think just because your mechanically inclined, or can buy someone out that everything will come automatically to you, and You can't have something go really bad? Most of the people here were too when they started including Myself. You are into VW's, Here's one - My Dad use to Build VW motors and drag race them back in the late 60's, Had a Gia with grand nationals that would pull wheelies as far as he wanted it too, I have been around & worked on cars, trucks, boats, motorcycles, Jetskis,the list goes on and on. I grew up working on my own cars, never paid anyone for mechanical work until I was older, and had something I did'nt want to mess with, or time would'nt allow me to do. Sh-t happens to everyone, regardless of how inclined they are. From Your post You saw proof of that, and why people were so critical of you running a machine with no prior knowledge or even videos to watch and learn from If I remember correctly. They were only watching out for Your best interest, but You took It in a whole other context other then the reality of what It was. No one meant you harm, or was trying to shut you out. The person You mentioned was one of those trying to watch out for you, and you throw his name & the incident in this thread for Your own gain to an argument. It may just Be Me, cause no one else has mentioned it, but that's highly disrespectfull IMO. That was the whole point in the beginning. "THAT IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE"

Funny Thing but sometimes You remind me of Myself, only I'm guessing your quite a bit younger. When I came on here I received some the same advice You did, the same warnings and all, but when I think back I even said some really dumb things, still do when I'm not thinking on all 8 cylinders, and I also realize had I not heard some of those warnings I may not be all in one piece now. For this I try to show a certain amount of respect, even If I feel My argument is better, because there are some people that have been doing this alot longer then I, and I don't know if I will ever feel I know everything there is to know about this. Everyday that goes by only reasures that feeling. Take advantage and learn from this site. You have one of the biggest advantages cuemakers have ever had in their history as a whole.

Ok all that asside here's what I think is going on between You a Dale. He says what He's thinking, That's the type of person he is, I know many people like that. I had Him pegged for that right out the gate. I'm sure he was'nt My biggest fan either. You don't change that in someone you except It then give and take, you fight It, or move on. When He told You he respected You that time for standing up to him, I believe It, but that only goes so far, and to continue to argue serves no purpose other then to further his disrespect of You. There are other types of respect also, and he's just testing you, only You can't see It. Think of It like this, You ever had a friend that just would'nt let you live something down, and never seemed to forget about it, always bringing it up at the wrong time, and using It to embarase you for fun, testing Your mental control.
Don't take too much offense to everything, every greenhorn to a group finds his place in many different ways. The Fact that Your still on here shows alot of determaination, so that right there works in Your favor, and i imagine you will do some really good work one day, But seriously Don't take warnings too lightly, because most people don't joke about that.

Keep in mind I don't fault You for standing up for Yourself at all, just don't aggree with the above statement You made to serve Your own argument. Sometimes It's better to man up, OK You did'nt get hurt first time out, But surely You can see how you could, and be honest, are you sure that something someone said did'nt help keep you safe, even if only to keep You on Your toes and paying attention. If It were Me I think at this point I would just say, You know Dale you got me, I really should have been listening alittle better back then, I can see now how things could have went really wrong. Most would give you respect for that statement, and write it off as a rookie thing, cause it was an early post of yours anyhow, and personally I can respect someone for manning up like that. I'm sure he may even lay off that thought aliittle bit. All I'm saying Is there are different types of respect, and the above statement did'nt reflect as much in Your favor as You may have thought. Atleast not in My eyes. No disrespect intended:)


Greg
 
Cue Crazy said:
You know I keep reading this and holding Myself from saying anything, but just can't help Myself. Let me first say I have nothing against you at all, Maybe even felt for ya alittle there, but this statement IMHO is in very bad taste. You should have left Dick's accident out of this, cause it has nothing to with what's going on here, and yes It was a tragedy, I'm sure he thanks You for reminding him. You think just because your mechanically inclined, or can buy someone out that everything will come automatically to you, and You can't have something go really bad? Most of the people here were too when they started including Myself. You are into VW's, Here's one - My Dad use to Build VW motors and drag race them back in the late 60's, Had a Gia with grand nationals that would pull wheelies as far as he wanted it too, I have been around & worked on cars, trucks, boats, motorcycles, Jetskis,the list goes on and on. I grew up working on my own cars, never paid anyone for mechanical work until I was older, and had something I did'nt want to mess with, or time would'nt allow me to do. Sh-t happens to everyone, regardless of how inclined they are. From Your post You saw proof of that, and why people were so critical of you running a machine with no prior knowledge or even videos to watch and learn from If I remember correctly. They were only watching out for Your best interest, but You took It in a whole other context other then the reality of what It was. No one meant you harm, or was trying to shut you out. The person You mentioned was one of those trying to watch out for you, and you throw his name & the incident in this thread for Your own gain to an argument. It may just Be Me, cause no one else has mentioned it, but that's highly disrespectfull IMO. That was the whole point in the beginning. "THAT IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE"

Funny Thing but sometimes You remind me of Myself, only I'm guessing your quite a bit younger. When I came on here I received some the same advice You did, the same warnings and all, but when I think back I even said some really dumb things, still do when I'm not thinking on all 8 cylinders, and I also realize had I not heard some of those warnings I may not be all in one piece now. For this I try to show a certain amount of respect, even If I feel My argument is better, because there are some people that have been doing this alot longer then I, and I don't know if I will ever feel I know everything there is to know about this. Everyday that goes by only reasures that feeling. Take advantage and learn from this site. You have one of the biggest advantages cuemakers have ever had in their history as a whole.

Ok all that asside here's what I think is going on between You a Dale. He says what He's thinking, That's the type of person he is, I know many people like that. I had Him pegged for that right out the gate. I'm sure he was'nt My biggest fan either. You don't change that in someone you except It then give and take, you fight It, or move on. When He told You he respected You that time for standing up to him, I believe It, but that only goes so far, and to continue to argue serves no purpose other then to further his disrespect of You. There are other types of respect also, and he's just testing you, only You can't see It. Think of It like this, You ever had a friend that just would'nt let you live something down, and never seemed to forget about it, always bringing it up at the wrong time, and using It to embarase you for fun, testing Your mental control.
Don't take too much offense to everything, every greenhorn to a group finds his place in many different ways. The Fact that Your still on here shows alot of determaination, so that right there works in Your favor, and i imagine you will do some really good work one day, But seriously Don't take warnings too lightly, because most people don't joke about that.

Keep in mind I don't fault You for standing up for Yourself at all, just don't aggree with the above statement You made to serve Your own argument. Sometimes It's better to man up, OK You did'nt get hurt first time out, But surely You can see how you could, and be honest, are you sure that something someone said did'nt help keep you safe, even if only to keep You on Your toes and paying attention. If It were Me I think at this point I would just say, You know Dale you got me, I really should have been listening alittle better back then, I can see now how things could have went really wrong. Most would give you respect for that statement, and write it off as a rookie thing, cause it was an early post of yours anyhow, and personally I can respect someone for manning up like that. I'm sure he may even lay off that thought aliittle bit. All I'm saying Is there are different types of respect, and the above statement did'nt reflect as much in Your favor as You may have thought. Atleast not in My eyes. No disrespect intended:)


Greg

Come on!.......I respect what you said, no doubt, and I agree with most things you said. But how can you say that bringing up the safety issue is in bad tast when you dont mention anything about the statement. "ARE YOU THE BUG IN DISGUISE" Come on we all know what this really means. It means, are you an idiot like the BUG! Now not only did he insalut me, but he also insulted Dinkwater. Heck he doesnt even know him but makes remarks sutch as that. Yes, btw I do know that you cant answer his question through a forem like this.

As I browse most cuemaker website I find a common theme as to why they became cuemakers. Most state it was because of high priced worthless products and customer service. I hate to turn the table but most of those very people have became the very thing that they ones despised. Perhaps the industry in general made them this way. I will say one thing about the cuemaking/repair industry and that is this. In my opinion I believe that this is the most unwelcoming hobby/industry that I have incountered thus far. Everyone wants to keep everything a secreat and keep everything to themselves, and I have had many hobbies.

Have you ever read Hightowers Book "From Trees to Tips to Tradeshow"? It it he writes testimonies from other well know cuemakers. These other cuemakers appeared not to want Hightower to publish this book in fear that it would destroy the small industry and create less business for them. I sometimes wonder what kind of hardship that Hightower had to go through, because you are right, you guys are a hard audiance to preach to. (figure of speech) Anyways, I dont think that happen at all. I think that he sparked new interested and because of this competition grew and subsequently better cues are being produced with endless posibilites.

I may be a pain in the ass at times but you have to remember that im new. I am a Nurse and if you were a patient of mine and I started talking to you in the correct medical terminology about your condition you would be like.......What langue is the person speaking. When speaking to people you first must decide what level they are on so that you can have a benifical conversation with them. Some here don't take that in consideration.

Resolotion! I am not going anywhere. I am in this for the long Haul. Sorry to disapoint you Dale! But it is what it is. I dont plan to make any money at this as it is very relaxing for me. Some would rather go on vacation, i would rather grab some wood and make a stick and escape to the garage but that me. So how can we all get along. I just want a little repect that all.
Bubsbug
 
pdcue said:
Let's review.

Everyone in this thread but you understands it is not practical to try
to write all the info dink needs to do his project - but we can help
him get started in the right direction

I gave him 2 tips based on what I thought he wanted to do
and a way to find more info - If I only wanted to finish one cue,
I would prefer to not have to invest in a book - wouldn't you?

Exactly when did I ever ask you to buy anything?
And, who do you think wants to purchase the story of your family, BTW?

Dale<redirecting bug to www.traintheretard.com>
Singlehandidly giving the billiard industry a bad rep since 1978

pdcue Im sure that you are well respected in the cuemaking industry. I am sure that you have many friends. I am sure that you are the father of many great ideas. Im sure that in the last 30 years you have made awesome sticks and have repaired everything possible. I commend you for this but what you fail to understand is the history of billiards.
Billiards was once a game for the Rich people only. Then thugs came along, started gambeling with only people they knew that they could beat and the sport went in the wrong direction. Billiards has a bad reputation in-of-itself. It is thought of as a crooked-husseling sport with no mercy. This is what I mean by giving the industry a bad rep.
Come-on Dale think on a much larger scale! Look at the big picture. If this industry had respect and intregety your business would do maybe 10-times the volume that it currently doe's.
 
bubsbug said:
Come on!.......I respect what you said, no doubt, and I agree with most things you said. But how can you say that bringing up the safety issue is in bad tast when you dont mention anything about the statement. "ARE YOU THE BUG IN DISGUISE" Come on we all know what this really means. It means, are you an idiot like the BUG! Now not only did he insalut me, but he also insulted Dinkwater. Heck he doesnt even know him but makes remarks sutch as that. Yes, btw I do know that you cant answer his question through a forem like this.

As I browse most cuemaker website I find a common theme as to why they became cuemakers. Most state it was because of high priced worthless products and customer service. I hate to turn the table but most of those very people have became the very thing that they ones despised. Perhaps the industry in general made them this way. I will say one thing about the cuemaking/repair industry and that is this. In my opinion I believe that this is the most unwelcoming hobby/industry that I have incountered thus far. Everyone wants to keep everything a secreat and keep everything to themselves, and I have had many hobbies.

Have you ever read Hightowers Book "From Trees to Tips to Tradeshow"? It it he writes testimonies from other well know cuemakers. These other cuemakers appeared not to want Hightower to publish this book in fear that it would destroy the small industry and create less business for them. I sometimes wonder what kind of hardship that Hightower had to go through, because you are right, you guys are a hard audiance to preach to. (figure of speech) Anyways, I dont think that happen at all. I think that he sparked new interested and because of this competition grew and subsequently better cues are being produced with endless posibilites.

I may be a pain in the ass at times but you have to remember that im new. I am a Nurse and if you were a patient of mine and I started talking to you in the correct medical terminology about your condition you would be like.......What langue is the person speaking. When speaking to people you first must decide what level they are on so that you can have a benifical conversation with them. Some here don't take that in consideration.

Resolotion! I am not going anywhere. I am in this for the long Haul. Sorry to disapoint you Dale! But it is what it is. I dont plan to make any money at this as it is very relaxing for me. Some would rather go on vacation, i would rather grab some wood and make a stick and escape to the garage but that me. So how can we all get along. I just want a little repect that all.
Bubsbug

Actually, this is quite laughable. This may be a sport or a hobby to you but to many, this is a BUSSINESS. It took me many years and and thousands upon thousands of dollars to get where I am. When I started out, if a cue maker gave you any information at all it was almost certainly to be the opposite of the correct way to do it. Every thing was learned through trial and error and errors were often expensive. You now want every deep dark secret or hard gotten information handed to you on a platter and cry and whine if it isn't done quick enough. You say you are a registered nurse and make good money. You went to college and nursing school to become qualified to do this work and I'm sure this cost quite a sum. How would you feel that if now all a person had to do was ask a couple of questions and demand an answer and then become a registered nurse. In a week maybe we could have one or two million new nurses on the scene and instead of making 45.00 an hour you would drop back to minimum wage. You would think "I went to all of this expense and trouble and these Johnny come late-lies have now come along and ruined my industry". No endeavour in life, worth having, is free. I have an 1800 sq. ft. shop that costs me 1,000 a month. I've got well over 125,000.00 in equipment that I have taken time to learn to use correctly. I give out some information on this forum for one reason, that is to pay for my signature at the end of each message. I've made very few sales because of it but that's the way things go. I could be like many on here and just ask questions and be paid both ways. Receiving valuable information for free and still have my signature at the end of each message.

Many of Dale's replies, I have figured out, don't usually give a straight answer to a question but does open a persons thinking process so that they can figure out the solution themselves which, by the way, is the best way to learn and remember.
Dick
 
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rhncue said:
Actually, this is quite laughable. This may be a sport or a hobby to you but to many, this is a BUSSINESS. It took me many years and and thousands upon thousands of dollars to get where I am. When I started out, if a cue maker gave you any information at all it was almost certainly to be the opposite of the correct way to do it. Every thing was learned through trial and error and errors were often expensive. You now want every deep dark secret or hard gotten information handed to you on a platter and cry and whine if it isn't done quick enough. You say you are a registered nurse and make good money. You went to college and nursing school to become qualified to do this work and I'm sure this cost quite a sum. How would you feel that if now all a person had to do was ask a couple of questions and demand an answer and then become a registered nurse. In a week maybe we could have one or two million new nurses on the scene and instead of making 45.00 an hour you would drop back to minimum wage. You would think "I went to all of this expense and trouble and these Johnny come late-lies have now come along and ruined my industry". No endeavour in life, worth having, is free. I have an 1800 sq. ft. shop that costs me 1,000 a month. I've got well over 125,000.00 in equipment that I have taken time to learn to use correctly. I give out some information on this forum for one reason, that is to pay for my signature at the end of each message. I've made very few sales because of it but that's the way things go. I could be like many on here and just ask questions and be paid both ways. Receiving valuable information for free and still have my signature at the end of each message.

Many of Dale's replies, I have figured out, don't usually give a straight answer to a question but does open a persons thinking process so that they can figure out the solution themselves which, by the way, is the best way to learn and remember.
Dick

Everything you say here is true. Dont we all want our cake and eat it to. I bet you like most people here are a do it youselfers. Have you ever gone to Lowe's hardwere and asked the plumming manager on how to do something. Or, have you ever visited the painting department and asked how to apply the paint correctly. What about the auto industry. Ever ask sales person how tight to torque something. Better yet, you tell me an industry that you havnt asked one question of. America thrives on this. its simply marketing stragities. Without it a bussiness couldnt thrive. You have to show your customers that you are the athorty on the subject in order to gain there support.
Yes, I have often times felt that people here have purposefull given me bad information, so I full understand. It must be the billiard integrey thing!
I agree, answere that make you think outside the box are good ones. I didn't mean any disrepect towards you at all. I was simply trying to make a statement about being carfull of how you treat others. Sometimes the bite is much worse then the bark!
 
LAcQUER FINISHES

Dinkwater wrote, "QMaker, you mentioned that you have been around guitars for a long time. Have they also used the same stewmac product line on the higher end guitars or is this kit just for newbies (ie..pros using something else).

Hello Dinkwater:
In regards to your question--the last ime I was at the Martin factory in Nazareth PA (at least 15 years ago) they were spraying with lacquer (nitrocellulose). They very well might be using something different now due to environmental concerns. No, they do not use anything resembling the StewMac kit. They have a very sophisticted finishing set-up much like you would find in an auto factory finishing dept. The StewMac kit is essentially a beginners kit for someone who wants to try their hand at applying a lacquer finish. There is a lot of spill-over from guitars to cues in the wood and finishing dept. Get a StewMac catalog and one from Luthiers Mercantile International. They have a wealth of information on finishes in them--who knows you might even try to make guitar. If you are trying to finish just one cue without a lathe let me suggest this: sand down the cue and apply three coats of CA glue (of course sanding lightly for each coat with the grain) then apply about 15 to 20 coats of hand rubbed gunstock oil (Birchwood-Casey TrueOil). Finish off with a good micro polishing compound and a coat of auto clear coat polish. The results might be up to (and maybe even exceed) your expectations. Good luck with your project.

Bob Flynn
Denali Pool Cues
 
CA Glue instructions

Dinkwater I hope this helpes. Its really really easy to do.

Using CA Glue to Finish Pens, pool cues, what ever.

Step 1: Turn pool blanks to finished size and sand to a 400 grit finish.
Step 2: Wipe all sanding dust from the blanks with a soft, lint free cloth.

Step 3: Slow the lathe to about 800 rpm and apply a cost of thin ca glue with a paper towel to pool cue and apply a small amount of accelerator to dry the ca glue.

Step 4: Using a fresh area of the paper towel, apply a second coat of the thin ca glue and accelerator as before.

Step 5: Turn off the lathe. Apply a few drops of medium ca glue to a fresh area of the paper towel and apply a lot of medium ca glue to the cue blank. This should be enough to cause it to run down the sides of the blanks. Spread the ca glue while turning the lathe by hand. Stand to one side so the glue isn't thrown in your face; turn the lathe on and quickly spread the ca glue on the blanks and apply accelerator. Allow 1 or 2 minutes for this coat to dry before proceeding.

(ALTERNATIVE) Apply the medium ca glue with the paper towel while the lathe is turning and without applying directly to the cue blanks. Apply at least 3 coats when using this alternative method. This will result in a less than thick finish but will be easier to sand out with the Micro-Mesh. On harder woods the difference will not be noticeable.

Step 6: Repeat the above steps twice thus building a significant layer of "plastic" on the cue .. You will have applied a total of 5 coats at this point.

Step 7: Sand the coated finish with 400 grit paper until any and all imperfections are gone. Look for raised stripes due the build up of ca glue. This must all be removed or they will show up in the finished cue. Turn the lathe off, inspect and sand with the grain of the wood and wipe with the clean cloth to remove sanding dust.

Step 8: Apply 2 more coats of thin ca glue as was done in steps 3 and 4. You have now applied a total of 7 coats of ca glue.

Step 9 (Final Step): Sand with Micro-Mesh abrasive paper going through all grits. Do not apply heavy pressure; it will only ruin the Micro-Mesh. Begin with 1,500 grit and finish with 12,000 grit. The finish should last a very long time if applied correctly. If, after final sanding with the 12,000 grit you find imperfections you can re-sand with the 1,500 grit to remove them. Re-apply the thin ca glue and work through all of the Micro-Mesh again. Rockwell instructions! Not mine.
 
bubsbug said:
pdcue Im sure that you are well respected in the cuemaking industry. I am sure that you have many friends. I am sure that you are the father of many great ideas. Im sure that in the last 30 years you have made awesome sticks and have repaired everything possible. I commend you for this but what you fail to understand is the history of billiards.
Billiards was once a game for the Rich people only. Then thugs came along, started gambeling with only people they knew that they could beat and the sport went in the wrong direction. Billiards has a bad reputation in-of-itself. It is thought of as a crooked-husseling sport with no mercy. This is what I mean by giving the industry a bad rep.
Come-on Dale think on a much larger scale! Look at the big picture. If this industry had respect and intregety your business would do maybe 10-times the volume that it currently doe's.

Bug,
Anytime you want to have a Texas Cage Death Match on the history
of Billiards - I'm ready, how about we bet my house against yours?

I am proud that I was able ruin the reputation of pool all by myself.
<and you all thought it was Minnesota Fats>

Dale<who is trying to think on a larger scale>
 
QMaker...make a guitar?.. one step at a time man.. I am having enough trouble getting my head wrapped around a cue finishing job. jk..hehe. That bit about using Birchwood-Casey Trueoil. Very attractive. Thats excellent!

I dont have my own lathe or shop unfortunately, but I am starting to think I should own one. However, my family has a starter/alternator business, so I could always use the lathe in the shop. The chuck holds armatures so I am pretty sure it will accept a cue which is slightly larger (at most 50% larger) than the largest armature we usually stick in there. Not sure if the chuck is completely hollow like a tube all the way through the lathe motor though. I have one-piece 58" cues so it could get tricky to make this work. Will have to go and check it out and see. We have 3 shops, so one of them may have the right lathe setup. And its greasy as hell everywhere. I certainly wont take my playing cue there until I can prove the idea works and now how to protect it from the grease. Perhaps a Sunday afternoon is a good time to try it out on my retired cue.

It would be great if I could finish cues as the start of my cuemaking hobby. I love cues, woodwork, and working with my hands and love the strike of a beautiful cue. Who knows, perhaps I could be come the next local Tom Gauthier (famous maker here in Vancouver). I am busy enough nowadays with trying to be a gajillionaire and grow my own web design business, so its not something I can jump into right away mind you.

Thanks Mr. Flynn. I appreciate the help thus far.


BUGS...WOWWW.. This is just fantastic! I love all this great information!! Man, for all the infighting and arguing, which I feel terrible about, I am getting better and better on-topic posts! Wonderful Bugs.. just wonderful. Thank you so much. And whomever Rockwell is, thank him too.


I think its time I put together a list of options, cost breakdown, process, etc as a single post based on everything I have learned so far. Its as much for myself as for you to verify that I have my facts straight.

Thanks everyone!
 
rhncue said:
Actually, this is quite laughable. This may be a sport or a hobby to you but to many, this is a BUSSINESS. It took me many years and and thousands upon thousands of dollars to get where I am. When I started out, if a cue maker gave you any information at all it was almost certainly to be the opposite of the correct way to do it. Every thing was learned through trial and error and errors were often expensive. You now want every deep dark secret or hard gotten information handed to you on a platter and cry and whine if it isn't done quick enough. You say you are a registered nurse and make good money. You went to college and nursing school to become qualified to do this work and I'm sure this cost quite a sum. How would you feel that if now all a person had to do was ask a couple of questions and demand an answer and then become a registered nurse. In a week maybe we could have one or two million new nurses on the scene and instead of making 45.00 an hour you would drop back to minimum wage. You would think "I went to all of this expense and trouble and these Johnny come late-lies have now come along and ruined my industry". No endeavour in life, worth having, is free. I have an 1800 sq. ft. shop that costs me 1,000 a month. I've got well over 125,000.00 in equipment that I have taken time to learn to use correctly. I give out some information on this forum for one reason, that is to pay for my signature at the end of each message. I've made very few sales because of it but that's the way things go. I could be like many on here and just ask questions and be paid both ways. Receiving valuable information for free and still have my signature at the end of each message.

Many of Dale's replies, I have figured out, don't usually give a straight answer to a question but does open a persons thinking process so that they can figure out the solution themselves which, by the way, is the best way to learn and remember.
Dick





Dick My appologies for stiring the pot on this. It may have not been My place to do so, and for that I'm sorry:o . I just read that statement one too many times, and It got the best of Me. I'm not going to argue this with bugs, cause he just does'nt seem to get it, and that would be sensless. I hope You understand why It did'nt sit well with Me, and what the point I was trying to make was. He thinks everyone is out to get him, and that is laughable, If only he knew how much of a benifit of dought I can give someone, and how neutral I was in their argument up until now, He might be suprised:rolleyes:. My opinion on his statement had nothing to do with any conflict between them.


Greg
 
Cue Crazy said:
Dick My appologies for stiring the pot on this. It may have not been My place to do so, and for that I'm sorry:o . I just read that statement one too many times, and It got the best of Me. I'm not going to argue this with bugs, cause he just does'nt seem to get it, and that would be sensless. I hope You understand why It did'nt sit well with Me, and what the point I was trying to make was. He thinks everyone is out to get him, and that is laughable, If only he knew how much of a benifit of dought I can give someone, and how neutral I was in their argument up until now, He might be suprised:rolleyes:. My opinion on his statement had nothing to do with any conflict between them.


Greg

I think all of you gentlemen show a lot of patience.

You reap what you sow. When someone demonstrates a complete lack of humility and has the temerity to unjustly call out a respected individual, he has made his bed. When his "apology" about said event came across as more complaints and justifications, he didn't do anything to help himself. Crawling out of that bed in the eyes of those who he would call his peers requires the ability to recover a certain amount of respect. The timetable for doing that isn't up to him.

Making reference to an unfortunate accident (that came across terribly flippant to me) to argue a point is a bad way to try and recover any of that respect. Demonstrating humility and respect for your superiors (regarding the subject of this forum) does not mean not having confidence in yourself or even agreeing with everything read. In my opinion, it isn't even a fine line. It simply takes a humble attitude regarding the established cue makers who come here to spend their time sharing information with others when they have nothing (or little in some cases) to gain from it.

To ridicule someone's advice given to someone seeking help because it only suggested two products and places to find out some information about them is really bad form. To suggest a lack of elaboration (spoon feeding?) was because the one giving advice had nothing to gain from it was just downright stupid.

Bug, you are going to respond to me again by suggesting I have somehow insinuated you need permission or blessings from people. You are going to give justifications and arguments regarding your attitude, how much you help people by being a nurse, and how much money family members make. Save it, none of that has anything to do with the subject at hand. If you like some of the reactions you get from people, keep going. If you don't, examine your attitude and spirit, and think before you write. Proofread before you write. You can't take back things you say in life, and many bridges that get burned down in life do not get rebuilt. I know I won't bother with it anymore. The drama is interesting, and I like Dale's sarcastic humor, but like Greg, I got my fill when you brought up Dickie's accident in the way you did.

To the cuemakers who post here, I appreciate your attitude in sharing information and knowledge with those that want to learn. A lot of you learned the hard way, and sharing information and trade secrets, showing pictures of jigs and holders and how to use them properly is MORE than generous. Thank you.

To Dink, sorry I made a post in your thread that was of no help to you. I hope you gathered enough information from those who know way more about the subject than myself. Good luck. :)

Kelly
 
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