I want to know what is wrong here?

jayman

jayman

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this is from john barton (quote)

Well I guess since the information is now out there I can tell you that they are made in my shop in China. This is what has been consuming me for the last three months.

and so is this in the same thread?? (quote)

I am not the seller of these cases. GTF Cases is my client and they are the company that will be selling the cases to dealers.


What?

Jayman.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=83880

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=83880&page=8
 
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jayman said:
this is from john barton (quote)

Well I guess since the information is now out there I can tell you that they are made in my shop in China. This is what has been consuming me for the last three months.

and so is this in the same thread?? (quote)

I am not the seller of these cases. GTF Cases is my client and they are the company that will be selling the cases to dealers.


What?

Jayman.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=83880

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=83880&page=8
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or have you red it
 
I imagine this is somewhat common in the billiard industy. GTF I assume does not build any of there own cases. So the contracted JB Cases. I know what you are getting at and I understand. GTF and JB Cases gave full disclosure so I don't see anything wrong with it.
 
jayman said:
Did you read it?
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yes i read it. he said he makes them for a client who distributes them. perhaps u didnt read what i wrote. what is wrong here? he makes them in china for someone else who takes it and distributes it. big deal who cares? cuemakers make cues for cuedealers all the time.

the only thing i do see wrong with that thread had to do with u swearing at him for no reason.
 
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Danktrees said:
i dont see anything wrong...what is it that u think is wrong?
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Early in the thread, he' is proud of HIS new factory in china. After taking some heat for using cheap chineese labor to further decay american productivity, he feels like puting some distance between himself and the products HE is making in HIS chineese factory!

But hey, nothing wrong with that i suppose?

Jayman.
 
Danktrees said:
yes i read it. he said he makes them for a client who distributes them. perhaps u didnt read what i wrote. what is wrong here? he makes them in china for someone else who takes it and distributes it. big deal who cares? cuemakers make cues for cuedealers all the time.

the only thing i do see wrong with that thread had to do with u swearing at him for no reason.
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So you read half of it.
 
jayman said:
Early in the thread, he' is proud of HIS new factory in china. After taking some heat for using cheap chineese labor to further decay american productivity, he feels like puting some distance between himself and the products HE is making in HIS chineese factory!

But hey, nothing wrong with that i suppose?

Jayman.
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thats one way to look at it. or perhaps another reason is cuz anytime anyone mentions anything about china you and a bunch of other ppl start dumping on it for no reason. like that thread for example, none of you have even seen the case yet but already said the case wasnt worth the money blah blah blah. perhaps he wasnt trying to put any distance between himself and the products hes making but simply stopped mentioning it cuz he didnt wanna bother answering all your posts about how crappy u think china is when he's already answered them in previous posts.

hes always proudly admitted that his products are made in china despite all the crap some posters throw at him (and i'm sure there are more through pm's).

so i really dont see anything wrong with what he posted. he makes cases for a distributor who proceeds to sell them. unless i'm horribly mistaken thats how most merchandise is sold...rarely does anyone ever buy direct from the maker. he never once claimed he was selling these cases either and judging from other ppl's posts u seem to be the only one who has a problem with it.
 
jayman said:
this is from john barton (quote)

Well I guess since the information is now out there I can tell you that they are made in my shop in China. This is what has been consuming me for the last three months.

and so is this in the same thread?? (quote)

I am not the seller of these cases. GTF Cases is my client and they are the company that will be selling the cases to dealers.


What?

Jayman.


J,

It's important to understand that he's prone to severe circumlocution. He gets caught up in dramatic, heart pounding hyperbole and looses control of his mouth and/or fingers.

IMO he meant to say that he and GTF have contracted the same factory to manufacture their respective lines. His and the GTF cases look VG and,IMHO, the manufacterer deserves props. If I'm wrong and he does in fact own the factory I welcome the correction. Prior to ascending to "BUM" status I was involved in contract packaging for mass merchandisers like, Walmart, K-mart, Sears, Sam's, Costco, etc. Although their "private" label was affixed to the product it displayed our company as the manufacterer and the attendant plant locations in a very prominant manner.
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poolhustler said:
I got absolutely NO problem with it......;)

Russ.....
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Really? first he is making cases in his shop in china...then suddenly just a few posts later.."My sole contribution to these cases has been the construction and design"

Is it his case made in his factory? or is he just a guy passing out some advice? he claims both, but it's either one or the other.
 
ribdoner said:
jayman said:
this is from john barton (quote)

Well I guess since the information is now out there I can tell you that they are made in my shop in China. This is what has been consuming me for the last three months.

and so is this in the same thread?? (quote)

I am not the seller of these cases. GTF Cases is my client and they are the company that will be selling the cases to dealers.


What?

Jayman.


J,

It's important to understand that he's prone to severe circumlocution. He gets caught up in dramatic, heart pounding hyperbole and looses control of his mouth and/or fingers.

IMO he meant to say that he and GTF have contracted the same factory to manufacture their respective lines. His and the GTF cases look VG and,IMHO, the manufacterer deserves props. If I'm wrong and he does in fact own the factory I welcome the correction. Prior to ascending to "BUM" status I was involved in contract packaging for mass merchandisers like, Walmart, K-mart, Sears, Sam's, Costco, etc. Although their "private" label was affixed to the product it displayed our company as the manufacterer and the attendant plant locations in a very prominant manner.
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Ribdoner,

You are the first person that understood what you were reading. it is kind of interesting for sure.

Jayman.
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perhaps he meant he makes the cases in his shop and that he only contributes to the design and manufacturing of the cases. everything else such as marketing, packaging, distributing etc. for the cases is left to someone else.
 
Danktrees said:
perhaps he meant he makes the cases in his shop and that he only contributes to the design and manufacturing of the cases. everything else such as marketing, packaging, distributing etc. for the cases is left to someone else.
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"My sole contribution to these cases has been the construction and design. I personally do not receive one penny more or less for the sale of these cases."

So its a non profit shop?

That he is the owner of?
 
jayman said:
"My sole contribution to these cases has been the construction and design. I personally do not receive one penny more or less for the sale of these cases."

So its a non profit shop?

That he is the owner of?
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LOL Very funny.
Glen
 
jayman said:
"My sole contribution to these cases has been the construction and design. I personally do not receive one penny more or less for the sale of these cases."

So its a non profit shop?

That he is the owner of?
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he could mean 1 of 2 things. first he personally doesnt receive the money, it is his company that receives the money. second, he could easily mean that he doesnt receive money from the sale of the cases as in if he sells one for GTF, he does not get any money for that sale.

i think the situation is like this: GTF contacted him and together they developed the line of cases for GTF to distribute. GTF pays his company and not JB PERSONALLY (as he states above) since it is his company making the cases i dont think its possible for GTF to pay him money directly. i'm pretty sure thats against the law. thats not to say he doesnt get money for the cases, he just doesnt get it personally.
 
i think he specifically said he doesnt get money personally to show that GTF pays his company instead. like when u buy a cue from a cuemaker u pay him directly. in his case, JB cannot/does not get paid directly from GTF even though he designs and constructs the cases.
 
Good & Bad News

I think I understand what Jay is getting at here.......the BAD NEWS is that myself for one -- I can't really fathom spending the amount of $$$ it would take to have JB make me a custom case -- so the GOOD NEWS is that GTF will make a case (sounds like to my/your specs) in a PRICE RANGE which I could reasonably afford.

Here's the rub......the cost of Labor here in the USA keeps going up and up and up -- STATE of WA increases the MINIMUM WAGE to $8.07 an hour the first of the year which I believe is the highest in the USA......but, back to the point which is that OVERSEAS LABOR is and will be for the forseeable future = CHEAP! So, production of anything always finds it's way to where the labor to make the product is more affordable for the NEW GLOBAL MARKET.

Hey Jay, I feel your pain man but, it's the nature of the market (BEAST) we live in -- I don't like it much either Pal! :(

Hopefully, the labor GTF is using is of the age to where they can make a conscious choice to what they are doing for a living!? IMO it looks like a nice product.

Respectfully yours,

Ken :cool:
 
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