I want to make sure I understand cte so that I make an accurate opinion
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I am not being negative, all I want is to offer my point of view.
I bought Stan's DVD on CTE/PRO ONE. I worked with it and finally gave up because I just couldn't figure it out from the DVD. I've asked numerous questions and have received answers from people that said they didn't get it either but finally the light came on and it is the greatest system. One person said he put it down for a year before he came back to it. It seems that a lot of people are in the same boat as I am.
My question is, why is this so hard to understand? What is it that stops us from being able to figure this out. Why can't we see it from the instructions in the DVD? Some say the DVD doesn't make it clear enough and can be confusing. I don't know the answers. All I know, is I bought the DVD and gave up and there seem to be a number of people that have done the same.
I want to learn this system but don't know what to do to understand it. I wish there was someone in my area that could teach it. I guess I'll never be able to understand without personal instruction.
Any comments will be greatly appreciated.
I bought Stan's DVD on CTE/PRO ONE. I worked with it and finally gave up because I just couldn't figure it out from the DVD. I've asked numerous questions and have received answers from people that said they didn't get it either but finally the light came on and it is the greatest system. One person said he put it down for a year before he came back to it. It seems that a lot of people are in the same boat as I am.
My question is, why is this so hard to understand? What is it that stops us from being able to figure this out. Why can't we see it from the instructions in the DVD? Some say the DVD doesn't make it clear enough and can be confusing. I don't know the answers. All I know, is I bought the DVD and gave up and there seem to be a number of people that have done the same.
I want to learn this system but don't know what to do to understand it. I wish there was someone in my area that could teach it. I guess I'll never be able to understand without personal instruction.
Any comments will be greatly appreciated.
You're both right. When viewed as a line drawing CTE has a limitation, for now, although I happen to think my drawings show why it works. But when perceived, as when a sniper uses all he knows of windage and trajectory to get himself into a position where he can confidently pull the trigger, CTE works perfectly.
I don't know exactly what Stan means by standing behind the CTE line but I find that the bulk of my body is always offset to it the way I use CTE. I had to use GB to calibrate my body position and once I did that I can use the CTE line on any almost any shot and go right to the GB. The only ones I still have a little trouble with are the very long thin cuts and the extreme reverse cuts. Everything else is pretty much cake.
I am looking forward to DVD2 though.
Why?
Well for the simple reason that I teach people how to use a jump cue. In 1998 when I started I could demonstrate the jump cue fairly well but I had a hard time teaching people. Some people absolutely could not jump a ball using a jump cue. So I had to learn how to present the method of using a jump cue in many ways to be able to teach anyone.
I realized that even good shooters sometimes had either a mental block or a physical handicap that prevented them from understanding or adopting the jump cue position. Before this epiphany I was frustrated with some folks and I am sure they felt that either the cue didn't work or that I was a crappy teacher.
When you are selling an item like this and one guy is taking way to long to get it the crowd loses interest and walks away. So I learned to recognize every problem and had a solution ready for it. When I did that I never lost the crowd again and at times had four people jumping balls at the same time on a bar table.
So I feel that Stan, a teacher by trade, has surely figured out better ways to present his material. And he has to ship this out to people whom he has no idea of their skill or their personal quirks that might make understanding more difficult. So it's incumbent to find ways to present it to as low a common denominator as possible. And I think Stan has probably done that.
How much and how did you work with it? I am not asking this to be negative. I ask because here is my take on it. It's not something you can watch once and then run to the poolroom and do. Nor twice, nor three times.
I had to take my laptop to the table and go through it chapter by chapter, shot by shot. Frankly I found it to be cumbersome and boring. I didn't print out the reference shots, I didn't memorize the aiming point combinations. I was and remain too lazy to put the hours in that I think it deserves.
That said I got it just by watching, but maybe this is because I already use some kind of CTE and so I already am familiar with pivoting (I call it settling into the shot.)
I think that the cumbersome nature of needing to have the dvd at the table is one reason why people might give up on it. Stan should sell an all digital version or even have an on-demand model that can be accessed on any device. And the other reason I think people might have trouble is that it's truly 180 degrees away from the textbook way of finding a SHOT line and then stepping into that line with the cue coming down directly on it. When any type of instruction sets it up that all you have done all your pool playing life is wrong and now you have to change it your body and mind will resist it vehemently.
When I had finally thought I "got it" with CTE I went out and gambled that very night forcing myself to use it on every shot 100% disregarding when my mind would say I wasn't on the right shot line. I did still miss of course but overall I played way better and after that every day of play got easier and easier.
I think that the most important thing to do is put the cue away and try to see the visuals and come into the shot position without the cue. We are so used to using the cue to point with that I think it gets in the way and unduly influences us when learning this method.
Lastly, I set up ghost ball lines to both double check and also to reverse engineer the method. I figured that that it is an absolute fact that IF CTE works then the result is that the bridge hand MUST be sitting where the cue is pointing down the Ghost Ball/Shot Line. And if so then it MUST be possible to get into a stance with the cue on that line and go backwards through the steps all the way to the CTE line. And at least for me that is exactly what I found to be true.
Yes, Go figure.
I assume it is still correct that you still do not own My DVD. But that really does not matter as I am not going to go into full teaching mode on this forum or any forum. Why, because pool is not a language game or a math game when engaged in actual play.
I can understand your frustration. Your lines and drawings can not convey CTE at this time. Math is actually more of a set of footnotes for my study at this time. I work primarily with the intelligences that are actually used for playing pool, visual and physical.
For 2 years you have been spinning your wheels with a CTE line on a piece of paper. A proper CTE perception is all about using one's eyes in a different manner than what one is consciously accustom to doing. And there's more. The eyes are used in the normal mode when fixing the cue ball. CTE is a visual system and a powerful one at that , that represents a new dimension in aiming.
Correct perceptions in CTE ultimately places one visual perspective of a cb in such a way that their body is only a slight natural rotation away from connecting with proper shot lines.
CTE is a system consisting of specific visual and physical instructions that take one's eyes to the shot and in doing so there is a slight over cut in place.
I say all of this for perspective. My preparation time for my lesson on DVD2 was 350 hours. Then there was 2/3 days of filming.
My edit work when totaled may entail 100 hours of tedious this and that.
Plus, I am sparing no expense in my overall production.
I am trying to put CTE out there and in the best way that I know how.
I will also offer demos concerning all that I teach concerning the subject at my home.
You and your anti ballistic missile team are invited to my home for a 1 day study of CTE with the goal of producing a specific math equation for solving CTE. This project might prove more useful than some government projects that I have heard about. (No disrespect for your work in protecting our great land.)
In the meantime, I have the necessary language to convey the objective visual and physical ins and outs of CTE. And to be honest, that is what most every one wants. Yes, the math experts want to nail this down but when they can't it is often brushed off as "whatever".
I am not trying to be difficult and I do appreciate you math work with CTE but I am glad that my study of CTE primarily comes from the perceptual physical side of the game.
Stan Shuffett
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I got it!
I was playing last night and I was very tired. My vision started to get blurry, and the out of nowhere the CTE line appeared from another dimension.
It is in fact visual.
The best way I can describe it is to stand behind the ball at an angle and then squint your eyes as if you were looking at one of those 3d pictures. You know, the ones that look like a plain picture with some pattern on it but when you focus intently a 3d image appears out of nowhere. No one ever believes there is a 3d image until they sPend some time staring at it themselves right? Pro-one is the same trust me.
Just stand there and squint your eyes and cte will appear. It will become as clear as can be where you need to stand once the visuals appear.
I was playing last night and I was very tired. My vision started to get blurry, and the out of nowhere the CTE line appeared from another dimension.
It is in fact visual.
The best way I can describe it is to stand behind the ball at an angle and then squint your eyes as if you were looking at one of those 3d pictures. You know, the ones that look like a plain picture with some pattern on it but when you focus intently a 3d image appears out of nowhere. No one ever believes there is a 3d image until they sPend some time staring at it themselves right? Pro-one is the same trust me.
Just stand there and squint your eyes and cte will appear. It will become as clear as can be where you need to stand once the visuals appear.
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Warning
The above post was written totally in jest so DO NOT spend hours squinting your eyes from behind a cue ball.
The above post was written totally in jest so DO NOT spend hours squinting your eyes from behind a cue ball.
I got it!
I was playing last night and I was very tired. My vision started to get blurry, and the out of nowhere the CTE line appeared from another dimension.
It is in fact visual.
The best way I can describe it is to stand behind the ball at an angle and then squint your eyes as if you were looking at one of those 3d pictures. You know, the ones that look like a plain picture with some pattern on it but when you focus intently a 3d image appears out of nowhere. No one ever believes there is a 3d image until they stare right. Pro-one is the same trust me.
You are showing your hole cards now.
They are revealing!
Stan Shuffett
Yeah, I'm done with cte.
Good luck to you and all who use it. I sincerely wish everyone the best.
I got it!
I was playing last night and I was very tired. My vision started to get blurry, and the out of nowhere the CTE line appeared from another dimension.
It is in fact visual.
The best way I can describe it is to stand behind the ball at an angle and then squint your eyes as if you were looking at one of those 3d pictures. You know, the ones that look like a plain picture with some pattern on it but when you focus intently a 3d image appears out of nowhere. No one ever believes there is a 3d image until they sPend some time staring at it themselves right? Pro-one is the same trust me.
Asians will then have no problems :smile:whereas the round eyes will?:frown:
quantum physics is BS
I think quantum physics is a bunch of balony designed to sell textbooks and obtain government grants. I have read some basic articles and I don't understand it. I think the terms come from a random word generator. Who makes this stuff up? I find it troubling that I have to trust the scientists that have spent years studying and developing theories. They just want taxpayer money. Prove it to me! Make me understand... but please make it simple because I don't have time to learn your terminology.
I think quantum physics is a bunch of balony designed to sell textbooks and obtain government grants. I have read some basic articles and I don't understand it. I think the terms come from a random word generator. Who makes this stuff up? I find it troubling that I have to trust the scientists that have spent years studying and developing theories. They just want taxpayer money. Prove it to me! Make me understand... but please make it simple because I don't have time to learn your terminology.
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I got it!
I was playing last night and I was very tired. My vision started to get blurry, and the out of nowhere the CTE line appeared from another dimension.
It is in fact visual.
The best way I can describe it is to stand behind the ball at an angle and then squint your eyes as if you were looking at one of those 3d pictures. You know, the ones that look like a plain picture with some pattern on it but when you focus intently a 3d image appears out of nowhere. No one ever believes there is a 3d image until they sPend some time staring at it themselves right? Pro-one is the same trust me.
Are you being serious?
I think quantum physics is a bunch of balony designed to sell textbooks and obtain government grants. I have read some basic articles and I don't understand it. I think the terms come from a random word generator. Who makes this stuff up? I find it troubling that I have to trust the scientists that have spent years studying and developing theories. They just want taxpayer money. Prove it to me! Oh... please make it simple because I don't have time to learn your terminology.
Quantum mechanics
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Quantum mechanics
Quantum mechanics (QM – also known as quantum physics, or quantum theory) is a branch of physics dealing with physical phenomena at microscopic scales, where the action is on the order of the Planck constant. Quantum mechanics departs from classical mechanics primarily at the quantum realm of atomic and subatomic length scales
I don't delve into Quantum Physics for billiard balls are much larger than atomic and subatomic particles.
Oh yeah...I pay my fair share of taxes. 2% more this year.
I think quantum physics is a bunch of balony designed to sell textbooks and obtain government grants. I have read some basic articles and I don't understand it. I think the terms come from a random word generator. Who makes this stuff up? I find it troubling that I have to trust the scientists that have spent years studying and developing theories. They just want taxpayer money. Prove it to me! Make me understand... but please make it simple because I don't have time to learn your terminology.
LOL... well played sir.... one of the better summaries of the on-going aiming thread "discussions" I have seen....
Kinda funny idea, but comparing system peddlers/users to scientists is bassackwards. They're the "science deniers", and their terminology isn't misunderstood; it's gibberish.
Aiming in pool is simple stuff conceptually - whatever can't be described in simple terms probably doesn't mean much.
pj
chgo
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Pj,
Any time that you want to take the position that I am a peddler that presents gibberish concerning CTE then I will debate you for my $10000 against your $5000 on live stream.
I will post any time you are ready.
Stan Shuffett