Idea for Mark Griffin/CSI

The Renfro

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I am a huge daydreamer and I come up with off the wall daydreams, ideas, theories and plans on a daily basis. Real life tends to never let me follow thru on any of them so occasionally if I come up with something I will toss it out to someone who might be able to do something with it.

This one falls into a daydream of what could and should be. At least in the world I was visiting.

Last night I was at a captains meeting. It was the 1st one of the year and this was the important one. It wasn't for BCAPL or Valley or APA those don't exist where I was. It was for a league that had been started to build the game of pool and billiards from the grass roots level. We still have handicaps. We still have similar fees. We still have playoffs, regionals and nationals. But we do have some things that are different.

Those differences are what made last night so important. Our league operator handed us a list of the top 32 professional players in the world that live in the US ranked by their performances in sanctioned events over the last 12 months. Our job as Team Captain's last night was to cast our votes for what player/players (max 2) we wanted to sponsor. In this world part of our dues are used to sponsor players and not line the pockets of the great Oz or Ozes who came up with the business plan.

The list we were given is color coded to indicate the regions where the pros live which is important because if we pick someone from our region we get Quarterly visits for a weekend where they give lessons, put on exhibitions, play challenge matches and get to know us. If we pick someone from the West Coast we get one visit. Great players out there but we are going to stay local.

After the votes were counted Knoxville ended up sponsoring Johnny Archer since he was out of Atlanta and close enough that we would get all of our benefits, ie. visits. He is our horse for the year unless a cpl of things happen. 1) He cannot commit to attending enough sanctioned events because of illness, life changes, ect. 2) We have a local player, who was not in the top 32 at the end of last year, who has paid his own way to the sanctioned tournaments and is in the top 32 midway thru the year.

At the end of the year whatever team/teams we have that qualify for Vegas will show up with Archer patches on our Team shirts. If we are lucky enough to get into the final 16 JA himself will be allowed to be used as a coach for our timeouts.

This is just a daydream but I don't see that it is beyond imagination.

This would create a connection between the professionals and the masses.

The Pro would have to start acting like they are ambassadors to the sport again instead of someone just trying to make a living without regards to their actions or appearances. The league players would actually get to interact with the pros and not just think about them being those guys on TV.

Open to debate... Why wouldn't this be the league you would want to be a part of over whatever league you are involved with now? If the fees are similar, the handicapping/format is similar, and the payouts were similar.
 
Even though this idea lacks details,I like it.I would participate.Somebody of the status quo needs to try these types of new things.Try anything.
 
The devil is in the details but I am sure they could be worked out...

Player funds would go a long way towards establishing a stable life and the extra could be put into a big money added pro event where it would be fought for instead of just handed out based on where u live and being more popular than some of the other top 32s.

It would be after the other sanctioned events have awarded points and be open to the top 60 on the list and then you could award entry into the event to the top 4 finishers at league single's nationals.

You could do regional amateur qualifiers and more than 1 year end event as things grow.
 
You have a good idea about star availability.

If you look at motorsports, fans can walk through the pits and interact with the drivers up close and personal. It's one of the things that makes it so popular.

Pool is tough because of the "buy in." Team sports are easier b/c you can root for the Philadelphia Eagles if you live in the Philly area without any further associations. Then you get to know the players by watching your local team and get more into watching them, becoming a fan.

The Mosconi Cup has huge potential because its easy to root for your country, just like the Olympics. I could care less about curling, but I still want USA to beat Canada. It's an event that has a lower initial buy-in, it was exciting with the crowd getting into it, and an opportunity to develop familiarity with the players. Poker is good at this with the sidebar stories and player features they show throughout the WSOP shows.

Pool needs to be as much about the players as it is about the game. Big personalities bring increased interest by casual fans and will bring more diverse sponsorship and more money.
 
I am a huge daydreamer and I come up with off the wall daydreams, ideas, theories and plans on a daily basis. Real life tends to never let me follow thru on any of them so occasionally if I come up with something I will toss it out to someone who might be able to do something with it.

This one falls into a daydream of what could and should be. At least in the world I was visiting.

Last night I was at a captains meeting. It was the 1st one of the year and this was the important one. It wasn't for BCAPL or Valley or APA those don't exist where I was. It was for a league that had been started to build the game of pool and billiards from the grass roots level. We still have handicaps. We still have similar fees. We still have playoffs, regionals and nationals. But we do have some things that are different.

Those differences are what made last night so important. Our league operator handed us a list of the top 32 professional players in the world that live in the US ranked by their performances in sanctioned events over the last 12 months. Our job as Team Captain's last night was to cast our votes for what player/players (max 2) we wanted to sponsor. In this world part of our dues are used to sponsor players and not line the pockets of the great Oz or Ozes who came up with the business plan.

The list we were given is color coded to indicate the regions where the pros live which is important because if we pick someone from our region we get Quarterly visits for a weekend where they give lessons, put on exhibitions, play challenge matches and get to know us. If we pick someone from the West Coast we get one visit. Great players out there but we are going to stay local.

After the votes were counted Knoxville ended up sponsoring Johnny Archer since he was out of Atlanta and close enough that we would get all of our benefits, ie. visits. He is our horse for the year unless a cpl of things happen. 1) He cannot commit to attending enough sanctioned events because of illness, life changes, ect. 2) We have a local player, who was not in the top 32 at the end of last year, who has paid his own way to the sanctioned tournaments and is in the top 32 midway thru the year.

At the end of the year whatever team/teams we have that qualify for Vegas will show up with Archer patches on our Team shirts. If we are lucky enough to get into the final 16 JA himself will be allowed to be used as a coach for our timeouts.

This is just a daydream but I don't see that it is beyond imagination.

This would create a connection between the professionals and the masses.

The Pro would have to start acting like they are ambassadors to the sport again instead of someone just trying to make a living without regards to their actions or appearances. The league players would actually get to interact with the pros and not just think about them being those guys on TV.

Open to debate... Why wouldn't this be the league you would want to be a part of over whatever league you are involved with now? If the fees are similar, the handicapping/format is similar, and the payouts were similar.






Think you've got so called pro pool players on a pedestal , but if you wouldn't mind , thats your business , it sounds mighty communal , like Mennonite's , the exception being the pro is the big boss and he gets the gravy. Pro Pool Players are about as easy to define as Pro Poker Players , many pro levelers that just stay in a region , they never receive exposure.



The Pro would have to start acting like they are ambassadors to the sport again instead of someone just trying to make a living without regards to their actions or appearances.






Sounds like Promise Keepers or big government or PC social coercion.



Not trying to mock you or your ideas , but if the market place doesn't create good purses at tournaments then its doomed , your idea is a bit communist . I personally don't care what some pool player does on his free time as long as he is not in jail then he is good to go.


He could be an Atheist , Christian , Muslim , dope smoker , alcoholic or racist. The beauty of pool is there is no sanctioning body that dominates the game giving edicts to people about how the game is played or legislated behavior it's members may exhibit.

Anybody can put on a tournament , so their will never be a central pool governing body . I think pros have established a organization to represent them but no promoter has bargain with them .



The BCAPL is hosting a tournament in OKC soon , you have to be a member and have participated in so many league events to enter , if i was interested i couldn't enter because i don't play leagues . It isn't handicapped so it would be a good deal . Nobody can make you play BCAPL so they have a pretty good model for controlling their tournaments and participants but they may shoot themselves in the foot as far as the non-league player entering.

If the get enough league players to enter , more power to them . I know alot of people want to see a successful pro tour but it will only happen if the market place drives it , taxing league players who may or may not want it is a bit drastic .


When you have one dominant association they will dictate what they want done , who can say what , whether you can be involved in political movements , have thoughts or express them . If remember or not a couple of years ago the NBA changed the material a basketball was made of from , from leather to synthetic and the players hated it , if they didn't they would have never went back to leather.

What you don't see is the politics involved , because David Stern or his wife was an animal rights activist who didn't want the ball made from animal products . Pro Pool is like an undiscovered gold field , once nugget turns up watch the vultures ,
con men and claim jumpers show up.

Look at the streamers who aren't making much doing all the leg work because they enjoy the game , but if through their efforts pool became more visible and they started to turn a profit the networks would come in with their resources and run them out , and the streamers efforts go unappreciated .


Maybe a better solution would be for all companies associated with billiards could form a industry association , they could pay dues and pool their resources and they could fund a pro pool tour . Maybe the association could partner with other industries to promote the tour through advertizing monies .
 
I like it. There are quite a few young up-and-coming pros that could really use some sponsorship to get to the next level, like Tommy Tokoph, and I agree that details would need to be hammered out with all concerned, but I think there's some meat on that bone.
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