Identify this pin size on my Schon
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Yeah, wierd. I can't find a joint protector anywhere for it.
The picture shows a radial next to it which is too big. I was told the Schon was a radial but it seems obvious it is not. Any help would be great.
It's very odd because the pin on the screw joint on the left in your picture looks like a current version of the Uniloc radial.
Whatever that JP on the right has doesn't look like a Uniloc radial to me and I have no idea what it is.
The Radial is a pin made by Uniloc corp. There are some copies around that are poorly machined and improperly sized to the Uniloc radial. If Schon used a radial, I am pretty sure it would be a standard Uniloc radial. You can see the machining line on the top of the screw which is pretty distinguishable.
Why don't you call Evan at the shop and ask him? He may have some JP's for you too.
Below is a close up pic of my cue with a Uniloc Radial. I admit it does look a little thicker than your's - very curious.
Chris
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The picture shows a radial next to it which is too big. I was told the Schon was a radial but it seems obvious it is not. Any help would be great.
Your JP has the knock off radial pin. Evan uses the original Uni-loc Radial pin. Uni-loc was purchased by Atlas Fibre, and they have the rights to distribute the original product. Their bullet joints for JPs are fairly expensive, as far as stub pins for JPs go. That's why you find a lot of these knock off pins out there. Schmelke makes their own version, as well as Prather.
You can purchase a plastic set of JPs for your cue from Atlas, or check on eBay. The plastic one-piece JPs seem to work much better on radial pins, as they are undersized. I wouldn't put that JP in your picture inside the Schon shaft for fear of oversizing the threads in the shaft, or even stripping them out due to improper thread count.
So than what is the pin in Tate's cue??
I assume mine is the original Uniloc radial. It's a JW about 7 years old. The radial shaft tap fits it tightly and perfectly. I guess Bill Stroud helped with the development of the Radial pin.
I've noticed that the newer ones have a different style head on them but the thread is the same. Atlas shows these different heads on their site.
Chris
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Ping Baxter he'll have a JP for it.
Bill Stroud designed both the Uni-loc and Radial pins. I'm not sure what his relationship was with Paul Costaine, but Paul was the one to take the pin mainstream. Bill was the first cuemaker to ever use either pin, and used them in his own cues.
The newer ones (like what's installed in the Schon) have a longer pilot, to avoid crossthreading. The pin on my Samsara looks identical to the one in the Schon.
Since when did Schons come with a radial pin? I always thought they were the piloted 5x16/14?
Not very often is the answer. I've only seen a couple and they've been in the last 5 years of so. My assumption was they were on a few custom ordered Schons. I saw one a while back that also had sharp points and a Radial joint.
Chris
He started making some SP series cues with radial pins back in 2005. The first group were ebony cues with exotic wood inlays. I had one with 6 high, sharp pink ivory points with ivory veneers. They were razor sharp, and even. I should never have sold that cue.....
That's what I thought. About that time, Scot Sherbine sent me some pics of one and asked me if I knew anything about it - and I had never seen one before. They looked like great cues and what Schon should have been offering all along.
I like the Radial better than any other joint. It's long, light and fits tight. Tiger threads them into a phenolic insert in my shafts and it's incredibly strong that way. Those phenolic inserts are really good and totally reliable-they don't easily cross thread and don't wear out.
Chris