If you had one accu-stats video

Andrew Manning

Andrew Manning

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What would it be? I ask because at the moment I don't have a lot of spare budget for pool videos, and thus don't have a collection. But for my birthday, I got an IOU for one pool video. Given accu-stats' entire collection, what ONE video would you ask for?

-Andrew
 
Andrew Manning said:
What would it be? I ask because at the moment I don't have a lot of spare budget for pool videos, and thus don't have a collection. But for my birthday, I got an IOU for one pool video. Given accu-stats' entire collection, what ONE video would you ask for?

-Andrew
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if you play 1p id go efren grady 91 "after hours" no commentary. my all time fav.
 
If you are using this video as a learning tool, I would go for one of thier 8 ball invitational videos, a 14.1 straight pool match or a 1 pocket match. :D

I'm pretty much of the opinion that you can watch limitless number 9ball matches and come away with a very small amount of valuable lessons.(not to mention that in my mind they are extremely boring)
 
I don’t have a large collection but I got this on a recommendation and it is the best one pocket you will ever see. Even Grady said afterwards it is the best match he had ever seen.

Shannon Dalton vrs. Efren 1998 Legends of One Pocket Championships

http://www.accu-stats.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=000595

I forgot to mention the commentary from Bill Incardona and Grady makes watching the match a real learning experence.
 
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There are a bunch of great videos at ACCU-STATS, but, unfortunately, most of them are VHS. They are in the process of converting many of the classics to DVD, but in the meantime, if you don't still have a VHS player, you are a little limited. If you do, and money is no object, go for the "Color of Money" challenge match featuring Earl Strickland and Efren Reyes. It was a race to 120, 9-ball, and an absolutely riveting match. The match is shown on 13 tapes, costs around $330 (I think they will discount $72 if you buy the whole thing, a little unclear in the catalog), or you can buy the last tape for $39. They have some Highlight videos that are pretty fun to watch (AS-HL, AS-HL2, AS-10, AS-10V2). If you are DVD or nothing, I would definitely recommend one of the 10-ball ring games from the Derby City Classic. My favorite is D6-R1, when Corey took it down, but the one when Archer won (D6-R2) is good, too. I'm not a huge fan of watching 9 or 10-ball, but these matches are a blast. Whatever you end up getting, I think you will enjoy watching.
 
supergreenman said:
If you are using this video as a learning tool, I would go for one of thier 8 ball invitational videos, a 14.1 straight pool match or a 1 pocket match. :D

I'm pretty much of the opinion that you can watch limitless number 9ball matches and come away with a very small amount of valuable lessons.(not to mention that in my mind they are extremely boring)
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I'm definitely in agreement with you there. I do plan on using this as a learning tool. The tape I'm leaning toward right now is a Grady Matthews-Pat Fleming 14.1 match, with commentary by Grady Matthews and Pat Fleming. It contains a very decent run by each player, with one of them running 101 and the other running 84. I'm interested to hear what each player has to say about their thought processes while playing; I think I could learn a good deal by studying this.

I think the games I could learn the most about by watching a video are 14.1 and 1-pocket, since I don't think you learn much about 9-ball or banks by watching, and I already know 8-ball much better than I know 14.1 or 1-pocket.

-Andrew
 
I am going to go slightly against the grain here and suggest an old 9-ball VHS from Accu-Stats.

Jeff Carter v Efren Reyes 1990 Sands Regency (Player Review).

I agree that watching 9-ball isn't necessarily going to teach you anything, but listening to Jeff Carter describe exactly what he was thinking and why he was doing what he was doing in completely obliterating Efren Reyes is one of the most instructional experiences I have ever had.

It is one thing for a player to say "well, I was in dead stroke and that was that," but Carter is very analytical about his approach to the match and to every shot, safety and situation. His commentary gives you hope that if you are as well prepared as he is you will succeed whenever you play.

This tape is truly a classic.
 
Andrew Manning said:
I'm definitely in agreement with you there. I do plan on using this as a learning tool. The tape I'm leaning toward right now is a Grady Matthews-Pat Fleming 14.1 match, with commentary by Grady Matthews and Pat Fleming. It contains a very decent run by each player, with one of them running 101 and the other running 84. I'm interested to hear what each player has to say about their thought processes while playing; I think I could learn a good deal by studying this.

I think the games I could learn the most about by watching a video are 14.1 and 1-pocket, since I don't think you learn much about 9-ball or banks by watching, and I already know 8-ball much better than I know 14.1 or 1-pocket.

-Andrew
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Andrew, that Fleming/Matthews 14.1 tape is a great choice. I have a copy of it myself and have watched it many times. It's great for both instructional value and entertainment. What amazed me about the player review was that they remember every shot they played in the match! Grady would say "Oh I get a little out of line here if I remenber correctly" and sure enough that's what happened. Both players very underated in 14.1 especially Pat Fleming.

Another tape that's great is the Strickland/Reyes from the 1987 Tara Open final. I don't know if accu-stats still carries it though. It's a race to 15 that goes hill-hill and man did hey play great, I think they each missed once the whole match. They were much younger and totally fearless, they went for everything and made everything.

Bobby
 
Grady v Buddy Hall 1992 dual player review. I think its a Sands Reno match

or

Fusco v Varner legends of 1pocket Philly. 4-3 match like 3hrs long. More moving than shooting with Grady and Jimmy Fusco doing a player review.

I would also recommend

--the previously mentioned Efren v Daulton match
--Steve Cook vs Allen Hopkins finals Legends 1990
--Steve Cook vs Steve Mizerak finals Legends 1991
--Mizerak v Daulton Finals Legends 1992.

IMO you can learn way more watching Accustats one pocket than you can ever get from watching accustats 9ball. The exceptions seem to be the Player review tapes, and even then you need good commentators to make the review worthwhile.
 
uwate said:
Grady v Buddy Hall 1992 dual player review. I think its a Sands Reno match

or

Fusco v Varner legends of 1pocket Philly. 4-3 match like 3hrs long. More moving than shooting with Grady and Jimmy Fusco doing a player review.

I would also recommend

--the previously mentioned Efren v Daulton match
--Steve Cook vs Allen Hopkins finals Legends 1990
--Steve Cook vs Steve Mizerak finals Legends 1991
--Mizerak v Daulton Finals Legends 1992.

IMO you can learn way more watching Accustats one pocket than you can ever get from watching accustats 9ball. The exceptions seem to be the Player review tapes, and even then you need good commentators to make the review worthwhile.
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uwate is the guy you should be listening to on this subject imo :)
 
Isn't that Varner-Fusco match the one where Nick makes a semi-jump spread shot to get out in the last game?

That was an incredible shot from an untenable position that he made an incredible out from.

I called AS about re-acquiring that match and they said it is no longer available.
 
Unfortunately all of the tapes I listed except for Efren v Daulton are out of print.

Accustats ought to do something about that as they are just empowering the barter system and the black market by not having these tapes available for sale, let alone as DVDs.

Enzo is just like me...needs a 12 step program for his accustats addiction. :-)
 
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McKinneyMiner said:
Isn't that Varner-Fusco match the one where Nick makes a semi-jump spread shot to get out in the last game?

That was an incredible shot from an untenable position that he made an incredible out from.

I called AS about re-acquiring that match and they said it is no longer available.
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Thats the one if I remember correct. Your choice of Jeff Carter efren is a good one, but I tend to like the Grady v Buddy hall PR more because Grady and Buddy engage in more safeties and are a bit more comfortable in the booth discussing their match than Carter is.

The Grady Efren match Enzo mentioned is also tremendous. They might have that one available but I dont think you will see it on their site. You have to call I think and ask for it.
 
Andrew Manning said:
I'm definitely in agreement with you there. I do plan on using this as a learning tool. The tape I'm leaning toward right now is a Grady Matthews-Pat Fleming 14.1 match, with commentary by Grady Matthews and Pat Fleming. It contains a very decent run by each player, with one of them running 101 and the other running 84. I'm interested to hear what each player has to say about their thought processes while playing; I think I could learn a good deal by studying this.

I think the games I could learn the most about by watching a video are 14.1 and 1-pocket, since I don't think you learn much about 9-ball or banks by watching, and I already know 8-ball much better than I know 14.1 or 1-pocket.

-Andrew
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I was just telling someone else about this tape but, if you're interested in straight pool, there is a very good match between Dallas West and Mike Zuglan from the '92 US Open. Grady Matthews, Johnny Ervolino and Weenie Beenie are commentating. I liked it because I like the style of straight pool that Dallas West plays. He runs a 57, ends up with no shot (after the break shot), then runs 93 and out on his next inning. If you want to see a big run, also from the '92 US Open, there is a match between Sigel and Zuglan that is really good. Sigel runs 150 and really only gets into a little trouble twice.
 
Last tape of the COM series of tapes between Efren and Earl.
Rempe vs Efren in Legends of 9-Ball semi-final match is a close second.
Miz doing the commentary loses it at the end.
 
My favorite Accu-stats video is Sang Lee vs Lou Havermans, 1994 SL Three Cushion International Championship.

Master craftsman Sang Lee runs a 15 and a 14 in the same match! This has to be seen to be believed.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone. Taking into account what's actually still offered in the accu-stats catalog, I think I'm going to stick with the only currently-offered dual player review tape, the Grady-Fleming straight pool match.

-Andrew
 
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Andrew Manning said:
Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone. Taking into account what's actually still offered in the accu-stats catalog, I think I'm going to stick with the only currently-offered dual player review tape, the Grady-Fleming straight pool match.

-Andrew
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are you saying accustats doesnt have every tape they ever recorded (or offered may be a better word)? i thought they kept all that. i'd love to hear people confirm this.

thanks.
 
enzo said:
are you saying accustats doesnt have every tape they ever recorded (or offered may be a better word)? i thought they kept all that. i'd love to hear people confirm this.

thanks.
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Yeah, look at uwate's post in this thread a while ago. I'm sure they still have the master copies, but many of the tapes referenced in this thread aren't offered in the 2006 catalog or online.

-Andrew
 
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