I'm Starting to Hate "Kitchen" BIH in Bar

crosseyedjoe

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When you are just having a nice night in your local bar with 1 or 2 pool tables, from time to time you will find someone who will intentionally scratch without even trying to hit an object ball but just hitting the cue ball to the pocket.

It's bound to ruin your night. I know you can just be as stubborn and have contest on who is better at pocketing the cue ball, but that is just stupid.

People who operate on rule loopholes are worse than bangers in my opinion.
 
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crosseyedjoe said:
When you are just having a nice night in your local bar with 1 or 2 pool tables, from time to time you will find someone who will intentionally scratch without even trying to hit an object ball but just hitting the cue ball to the pocket.

It's bound to ruin your night. I know you can just be as stubborn and have contest on who is better at pocketing the cue ball, but that is just stupid.

People who operate on rule loopholes are worse than bangers in my opinion.
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Hence the reason I won't play by those rules unless a fish demands it. You won't find me playing pool in too many bars either. I go to the bar for different reasons.
 
I know exactly what you mean. The plain truth is bar rules suck. There is no way around it. Where I live it's either bar pool or my own table so for the chance to play other people I play some bar pool. I guess bad pool is better than no pool and I win more than I lose so that helps.
 
I have run across people like this and when I see it done, it upsets me, but then I realize the person can't be that good as it's the only shot they felt they had. Then I will call them out on it and verbally start to laugh or riddle them for their "cool or clever" shot. If you going to act smarty then you should love the verbal attention your intelligent actions awarded you. lol

We better players know this can happen and practice our kicks, banks and safes for people like this, right?!?!? :)

ez
 
ez2h8 said:
We better players know this can happen and practice our kicks, banks and safes for people like this, right?!?!? :)

ez
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Well, I'm not really what you call a better player, (maybe the better player), but I'm usually the one that will kick and bank just to get things over with. I wouldn't do safe because he will just knock the cue ball back to the pocket specially when you are also not in a good shape from the kitchen.

Well last night, tried to squeeze the 8-ball to pocket, but missed and ended freezing the 8-ball with his last object ball right by the pocket. If he hit the OB, he would surely foul the 8-ball to the pocket. Guess what, he intentionally hit the cue ball to one of the pockets because I had no straight in to the 8-ball from the kitchen. After that, I didn't feel like playing anymore.
 
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Well, I'm not really what you call a better player, (maybe the better player), but I'm usually the one that will kick and bank just to get things over with. I wouldn't do safe because he will just knock the cue ball back to the pocket specially when you are also not in a good shape from the kitchen.
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Some games we just can't seem to lose to win huh? :)

ez
 
Huh!

crosseyedjoe said:
When you are just having a nice night in your local bar with 1 or 2 pool tables, from time to time you will find someone who will intentionally scratch without even trying to hit an object ball but just hitting the cue ball to the pocket.

It's bound to ruin your night. I know you can just be as stubborn and have contest on who is better at pocketing the cue ball, but that is just stupid.

People who operate on rule loopholes are worse than bangers in my opinion.
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I didn't know that rule still existed in some leagues. That rule has to go!! The better person will still win, with or without that rule. It will just happen a little quicker without it. IMO
 
It's a shame some people play like that. I had similar expierence about 2 months ago. I knew this guy played league, so he knew what the REAL rules were. I asked if we were playing league rules or, as they call it "straight eight" rules....same as "bar rules". It was his table, so his decision. I broke and ran 6 balls, leaving the CB behind the 8 ball. I, being a little smart ass, said "you better run 'em out on me". Then he just barely touches the CB with his tip. He replied with something like, "I know how to play pool too...you know?" I then said, "that is a perfect example why there are a standard set of rule and if I win, those are the rules we are going to play by." He ended up beating me, but quit playing for the night...good ridence.
 
I won't play that way. BIH is meant to avoid ridiculous rules like that where someone can play a foul to avoid losing.
 
I was playing a guy in a bar in Virginia (Chincoteague) one time when I called something like "4 in the corner" and kissed in off his ball on the way in to open up the pocket. He says foul since I didn't call the kiss. He explained that it was the local rule. Well he took ball in hand and ran out. Later, in another game I kissed the long rail on the way into the corner and he says "foul," I didn't call the bank! As it was the only bar in town with a pool table I kept playing, but by the end of the night he had to pocket the balls perfectly or I called him on the bar rules. All in all, it wasn't the best pool experience.

He was a pretty good shot and plays around Maryland quite a bit- all I had for a name was JJ.

Steve
 
Coming up, bar rules are what I learned on. I didnt really get introduced to BIH eightball until I came to Europe...
when one of the Germans took BIH on me the first time, I called BS. I thought it was cheap.. but after a while I got used to it and wont play any other way now.
 
You wouldn't have that problem here as the local rule on a foul or scratch is the player gets TWO CONSECUTIVE SHOTS (first one from the kitchen) to try to make a ball (meaning you get a second shot on a miss following a foul for any ball except the eight- sink a ball on the first shot and it's business as usual from there).:eek:

It's funny to sit in a bar and watch a tourist observe this rule in disbelief as it's called against him.:D

I have no idea how (or why) that rule began, but it's in use pretty much everywhere on the island. You don't see many intentional fouls over here.;)
 
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When you are just having a nice night in your local bar with 1 or 2 pool tables, from time to time you will find someone who will intentionally scratch without even trying to hit an object ball but just hitting the cue ball to the pocket.

It's bound to ruin your night. I know you can just be as stubborn and have contest on who is better at pocketing the cue ball, but that is just stupid.

People who operate on rule loopholes are worse than bangers in my opinion.
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Hey, why do you think ball in hand was invented?

There's a fellow I used to shoot some friendly 8 ball, last pocket, with, no ball in hand rules, and I did my best to convince him to switch to BIH, but he'd have none of it. He was convinced he'd have no chance playing on those terms. Playing on Diamond 9 footers with buckets. I'd beat him continually, often using the BIH in kitchen rule to simply shoot the cue ball into a pocket. On one occasion, the 8 ball was close to a corner pocket and he had to kick at it when getting BIH, and wouldn't you know but he just managed to scratch the cue ball off the 8 into the pocket, which, following those stupid rules, meant he lost the game.

Some people never learn.

Flex
 
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Later, in another game I kissed the long rail on the way into the corner and he says "foul," I didn't call the bank!
Steve
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I've had that happen also....a bunch of BS. I've played a guy where the OB clipped the tittie and called a foul.........whoever called it "hillbilly pool"....I like that and think I will use it.

Thanks,
Matt
 
Those rules are dying a slow death. Presicely because its dirty pool.Hang in there BIH will rule. Don
 
Two thoughts on this that first, scratching on purpose for your advantage is no different than playing a safety. Its like a safety in a different form. So if you don't have problems with safties, which obviously anyone who has played the game at any level knows is proper, than to be logically consistent you can't really have a problem with the intentional scratch either. However, to have the rule in the first place is completely absurd. So if your going to be playing in bars, hence knowing your going to be playing by bar rules and you don't have problems with safties, then playing by the rules is simply fair, even if you don't like it. But the reason you wouldn't like it is because the other guy is trying to beat you by any legal means necessary. Well if you don't want to play people that are trying to beat you as hard as they can. Don't play. With that said, bar rules are absurd. And lastly, some advice. Simply ask, if you guys can play by APA rules, if the answer is no, then the answer to play is no. Problem solved.
 
RunoutalloverU said:
Two thoughts on this that first, scratching on purpose for your advantage is no different than playing a safety. Its like a safety in a different form. So if you don't have problems with safties, which obviously anyone who has played the game at any level knows is proper, than to be logically consistent you can't really have a problem with the intentional scratch either. However, to have the rule in the first place is completely absurd. So if your going to be playing in bars, hence knowing your going to be playing by bar rules and you don't have problems with safties, then playing by the rules is simply fair, even if you don't like it. But the reason you wouldn't like it is because the other guy is trying to beat you by any legal means necessary. Well if you don't want to play people that are trying to beat you as hard as they can. Don't play. With that said, bar rules are absurd. And lastly, some advice. Simply ask, if you guys can play by APA rules, if the answer is no, then the answer to play is no. Problem solved.
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I know it's OK to intentionally scratch, but what most people don't see is the stupidity that can result with that intentional scratch and kitchen, 2 players having a scratching contest specially at the later part of the match.

In a bar where other players are waiting just to shoot some pool, this rule is very absurb.
 
Right which is why I dont play at bars. And I think the advice at the end of my comments should solve the problem, however, it may not be the most satisfying of solutions.
 
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