Now that the cat is out of the bag: you can find the shot line by stepping the cue ball. See video 4 of the truth series.
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Now that the cat is out of the bag: you can find the shot line by stepping the cue ball. See video 4 of the truth series.
Thanks for the clue. I found all the Truth Series videos by clicking on Stan's channel. Looks like they were uploaded about 2 hours ago.
I watched the first 8 videos (well, 7.5). I recommend a setting of 1.50x or 1.75 speed to move it along. I had a couple of initial questions that I was hoping you could address. I'm sure you will consider some of these "smart alecky" but I am watching these videos with an open mind.Neither has your ignorance
1. It is clear that stepping the cue ball to find the NISL is the key to CTE according to Stan and is what was "never supposed to be." Stan does not say exactly what it is about the NISL that makes all shots go on a 2x1 surface. I can imagine that for straighter shots the NISL will create less of an angle than for steeper cut shots. In other words, you can avert your vision the same amount for two different cut angles but since the cb is approaching more of the side of the ob with a steeper angle shot the ob will be cut more than for a straighter shot. This is just my guess. Does Stan ever address why he believes the NISL allows him to pocket balls in different positions with the same perception?
2. Stan is a little loose with his verbiage when he gets going fast. Is he saying you need to turn your nose away from the shot before establishing the aim and sight lines or do you do that after?
3. Stan says that the brain is better than the fastest supercomputers and that is why he automatically knows which CTE perception to use without thinking about it. Did you see the video where a guy put some electronics together and made a pneumatic cue and showed that he can pocket any ball, even 3 rail banks, by letting the computer calculate the shot? Given that our brains are more than capable of doing the same thing, what is wrong with simply training our brain to see the shot by feel rather than see the shot by CTE? I can say with 100% confidence that people are able to see the shot line far in advance of when they are capable of delivering the cue straight on that line. In other words, people mostly miss due to stroke errors.
4. Why does Stan keep saying that pro players shoot with a visual offset even if they don't know it? Stan said that CTE fixes your vision into a very specific spot as a result of following the procedure that also requires using the visual offset (stepping) in order to work. How is a pro player able to use offset vision if he hasn't used any of the preceding CTE steps first? It is a contradiction.
Just a few initial observations that popped out at me, if you care to discuss.
It's true - I'm ignorant about CTE. Mainly because I can't get past things like the first thing Stan says in Video #1: the numerology stuff about 15-30-45 degree angles adding up to 90 degrees, which means something or other about how "table geometry" is related to CTE. Even if I was receptive to it Stan's illustration isn't convincing.Neither has your ignorance
The problem is that the way he displays the three angles doesn't visually support his spiel - the 15 and 30 degree angles don't really point to diamonds like he wants them to and he has to tell us that they add up to 90 degrees because it isn't obvious from their overlapped arrangement on the table:
I'd arrange them on the table like this - the angles don't need to point to the end rail diamonds and it's visually clear that they add up to 90 degrees, which makes them seem more mystically interrelated. In fact, it adds a little magic by showing that not only do the three angles add up to 90 degrees, but the two smaller ones also add up to the larger one (15 + 30 = 45 degrees)! How ya gonna miss shots with all that goin' for ya?
It's still not for me, but I hate to see it stumble right out of the gate over its fundamental "logic".
pj
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What angles do you get when you line up the ends of each line the way Stan does in the video? I think all three are at the nose of the cushion opposite the diamond. The 30 and 45 cross the mouth of the pocket while the 15 crosses the back of the pocket where a diamond would otherwise be. Hopefully I remember that right.
Measured consistently from the center of the side pocket mouth at the nose, neither the 15-degree nor the 30-degree line hits the end rail right in front of a diamond - the 15-degree angle hits about an inch past the first diamond and the 30-degree angle hits about 4 inches past the second diamond (on a 9-footer). Moving the 30-degree line so it hits at the diamond only draws attention to the fact that it doesn't really.
The actual angles from the side pocket to the cushion noses directly in front of those diamonds are about 14 degrees at the first diamond and about 27 degrees at the second.
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Maybe you need to use a big wide strip of black electrical tape to create a margin of error.
Just looking at your photos here, the 30 isn't the same way Stan aligns it in the first video of the Truth Series (also in the 2nd DVD). He is using lines that go directly or bank into pockets.
1. I don't think the stepping specifically is "what wasn't meant to be". I think it is all of CTE inclusive. As for the WHY on the NISL, I'm not the person to ask. I do know it works, I've been using the cue ball stepping for a little time now, and it is how you can arrive at the shot line (visually), the same line that is acquired with the manual and air pivoting. You can literally drop your cue on that line once you find it with stepping. For me it's a key ingredient that was never 100% understood by all with pivoting. Pivoting did work, it's just way more clear and succinct now. So as for making balls with different table orientations using the same prescribed instructions, you really need to take it to the table (especially now with spelled out ingredients), if you have not been able to demonstrate that to yourself before. Specifically WHY it works like that, you are asking the wrong guy. Maybe Stan can chime in if there is more data there.
2. The "angled" face (not sure if that is the official term) has been loosely stated throughout the CTE series. When Stan holds a cueball directly up to his nose and says "you'll never make a ball like this", that is what Hal used to do. It means you have to angle your face one side or the other to make CTE work. Or as Hal used to say "poke your head out", it's the same concept. Stan goes into this several times in these Truth series videos too. On a left cut, you have to angle your face left, or in other words, you eyes have to look right. Right cut, angle face to right, or in other words eyes look left. This is all happening first as you are finding the perceptions, not after.
3. I'm a computer science guy, and I'm going to chalk this up as Stan's way of saying, the human brain is very fast at identifying perceptions and executing them. Especially after it becomes subconscious. As for being faster than super computers, I have no way to quantify that
4. That is a better question for Stan. I'm pretty sure that he is stating that pros used edges of balls to aim, not ghost balls and fractions. ie. they are coming into a shot at an offset and sweeping in.
Thanks for taking the effort to reply.1. I don't think the stepping specifically is "what wasn't meant to be". I think it is all of CTE inclusive. As for the WHY on the NISL, I'm not the person to ask. I do know it works, I've been using the cue ball stepping for a little time now, and it is how you can arrive at the shot line (visually), the same line that is acquired with the manual and air pivoting. You can literally drop your cue on that line once you find it with stepping. For me it's a key ingredient that was never 100% understood by all with pivoting. Pivoting did work, it's just way more clear and succinct now. So as for making balls with different table orientations using the same prescribed instructions, you really need to take it to the table (especially now with spelled out ingredients), if you have not been able to demonstrate that to yourself before. Specifically WHY it works like that, you are asking the wrong guy. Maybe Stan can chime in if there is more data there.
2. The "angled" face (not sure if that is the official term) has been loosely stated throughout the CTE series. When Stan holds a cueball directly up to his nose and says "you'll never make a ball like this", that is what Hal used to do. It means you have to angle your face one side or the other to make CTE work. Or as Hal used to say "poke your head out", it's the same concept. Stan goes into this several times in these Truth series videos too. On a left cut, you have to angle your face left, or in other words, you eyes have to look right. Right cut, angle face to right, or in other words eyes look left. This is all happening first as you are finding the perceptions, not after.
3. I'm a computer science guy, and I'm going to chalk this up as Stan's way of saying, the human brain is very fast at identifying perceptions and executing them. Especially after it becomes subconscious. As for being faster than super computers, I have no way to quantify that
4. That is a better question for Stan. I'm pretty sure that he is stating that pros used edges of balls to aim, not ghost balls and fractions. ie. they are coming into a shot at an offset and sweeping in.
Well yeah.
For the hundredth time the 15-30-45 he's talking about are NOT angles.
Basically, you position your head and body so that you can see BOTH the CTE line AND say the 15 (indside quarter). Then pivot or sweep to centre ball. Rinse and repeat.
I don't know why you bother posting as you have no interest in using CTE
All you seem to want to do is post lame, smartass and ignorant comments about CTE.
But I don't hate you. I save that for Dan White.
The 15-30-45 numerological nonsense he describes in the very first segment of the very first video (you know, the one I clearly indicated) definitely ARE angles. He doesn’t get to the 15-30-45 “perceptions” nonsense until later.
If we’re going to discuss this rationally you’ll need to keep your nonsenses straight.
pj
chgo
15-30-45 are not literal angles whahahahaha, they're perceptions!.
I've just read that somebody is a computer science guy! and yeah you are correct as a programmer we can't quantify that brains and eyes are faster than the fastest computer around. that's true..assuming we have a machine today that is specifically coded or programmed to identify CTE perceptions. But We DON'T.... so What Stan said was true.. it's faster than supercomputers.. haha
But had it occurred to you that it may be just an exaggeration of what he wants to convey?
to be honest, those who discredit CTE to a "certain" extent could only mean:
1) they don't have Stan's DVDs
2) Can't comprehend what Stan is saying even though it's in English! (no offense ).
3) Can't even appreciate its a "good" contribution to the billiard community.
ACTUALLY:
Admission of ignorance about CTE says it all.
anyway.
The book is his truth series is out!
I've just read that somebody is a computer science guy! and yeah you are correct as a programmer we can't quantify that brains and eyes are faster than the fastest computer around. that's true..assuming we have a machine today that is specifically coded or programmed to identify CTE perceptions. But We DON'T.... so What Stan said was true.. it's faster than supercomputers.. haha
But had it occurred to you that it may be just an exaggeration of what he wants to convey?
to be honest, those who discredit CTE to a "certain" extent could only mean:
1) they don't have Stan's DVDs
2) Can't comprehend what Stan is saying even though it's in English! (no offense ).
3) Can't even appreciate its a "good" contribution to the billiard community.
ACTUALLY:
Admission of ignorance about CTE says it all.
anyway.
The book is his truth series is out!
So what do you think Stan means when he says they add up to 90 degrees? Is 90 degrees a "perception" too?
pj
chgo
you wouldn't understand anyway (no offense).
I'll give you a hint:
It tracks to one of the right angles (90degree) of a 2:1 table
Had you even tried to watch stan's DVD and his truth series in full, you wouldn't be this bitter with CTE.
Can you also give me a hint what "tracks to" means (in English, please)?
pj
chgo
Really? you don't know what "tracks" mean even by its definition?
The answers are on Stan's DVDs and his truth Series and book.
But you don't have that or don't even try to get those.
Anyway, what I deduced is that you're kinda hell-bent (sorry for the word) on discrediting CTE, without having knowledge of its full context.
It's like I'll be giving answers to someone who is not even sincere in understanding CTE but rather discredits it.
I give answers via personal session (unfortunately here only in my country *non-US)
thanks... nice visiting Azb again. hehe